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chandraaeddy
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Post subject: Re: NEW Pro Build for soldiers !? Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:36 am |
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Joined: Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:10 am Posts: 143 Location: India Gender: male
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in inf i must say 10/10/10 is better build than 20 armor /10 range. try it on simulator. 
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aister
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Post subject: Re: NEW Pro Build for soldiers !? Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:53 am |
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Joined: Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:48 am Posts: 7996 Location: Fuyuki City Gender: male
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aister wrote: and again, u're stepping into the same mistake like the others.
there are no, and I mean no, battle that u send the same number of units.
u can't go out there and say "hey I'm sending 5 full 11-armor-19-dmg-each squads, u should send in 5 full probuild inf too so I can kill u"
no, u will try to send as much as u can and try to overwhelm the enemy. The enemy has 1 squads, u send 2; enemy has 5 squads, u send 10; enemy has 100 squads, u send 150. And with an overwhelming forces like that, ur win is 70% guaranteed, even with a probuild or not. The only thing that will make u lose is an all armor troops, split chassis also.
The only thing why probuild is called probuild, is it minimize the loss from ur side and maximize ur troops efficiency.
As I've stated before, unless damage units deals tons of damage, 10x more than range, I'll say the probuild is still better.
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Post subject: Re: NEW Pro Build for soldiers !? Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:01 pm |
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i agree with minpk, 10 armor 20 damage won againts 10 armor 20 range, relax minpk peoples just get use to it using range, so they wont bother to find the fact, 10 armor and 20 damage is better and CHEAPER! it not just effective it also efficient, here i got a prove, a real prove that range mean nothing the pic bellow show that im using armor and damage, the opponent use pure range, and by mats he cost 3 times than me but still i won, i try to simmulate it and add some armor to him, still i won again, check it out 
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SprySpritzer11
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Post subject: Re: NEW Pro Build for soldiers !? Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:10 am |
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Joined: Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:23 am Posts: 5
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Dunno why other people does a squad for infantry like this.....21 range vs. 9 armor while it is the same as 20 range and 10 armor...while the second built is cheaper.
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aister
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Post subject: Re: NEW Pro Build for soldiers !? Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:41 am |
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Joined: Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:48 am Posts: 7996 Location: Fuyuki City Gender: male
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SprySpritzer11 wrote: Dunno why other people does a squad for infantry like this.....21 range vs. 9 armor while it is the same as 20 range and 10 armor...while the second built is cheaper. they are the same lol. The efficiency in 21 range is a little bit higher, but the result are someway or another the same. The 1 range 1 armor difference is not much to mention. breeco87 wrote: i agree with minpk, 10 armor 20 damage won againts 10 armor 20 range, relax minpk peoples just get use to it using range, so they wont bother to find the fact, 10 armor and 20 damage is better and CHEAPER! it not just effective it also efficient, here i got a prove, a real prove that range mean nothing the pic bellow show that im using armor and damage, the opponent use pure range, and by mats he cost 3 times than me but still i won, i try to simmulate it and add some armor to him, still i won again, check it out  aister wrote: aister wrote: and again, u're stepping into the same mistake like the others.
there are no, and I mean no, battle that u send the same number of units.
u can't go out there and say "hey I'm sending 5 full 11-armor-19-dmg-each squads, u should send in 5 full probuild inf too so I can kill u"
no, u will try to send as much as u can and try to overwhelm the enemy. The enemy has 1 squads, u send 2; enemy has 5 squads, u send 10; enemy has 100 squads, u send 150. And with an overwhelming forces like that, ur win is 70% guaranteed, even with a probuild or not. The only thing that will make u lose is an all armor troops, split chassis also.
The only thing why probuild is called probuild, is it minimize the loss from ur side and maximize ur troops efficiency.
As I've stated before, unless damage units deals tons of damage, 10x more than range, I'll say the probuild is still better. And about ur picture, breeco. First, u have totally chassis advantages: inf against veh. Plus u're focused on veh, seeing u have lots of anti veh units. Second, enemy doesn't have any armor, or even damage to guard his range. That's not even considered a build at all. This is not a probuild. And to repost wat have been posted three times. Quote: u will try to send as much as u can and try to overwhelm the enemy. The enemy has 1 squads, u send 2; enemy has 5 squads, u send 10; enemy has 100 squads, u send 150. And with an overwhelming forces like that, ur win is 70% guaranteed, even with a probuild or not. The only thing that will make u lose is an all armor troops, split chassis also. If u do a battle sim, 5 inf squads with 3 probuild squads. If u do 5 inf squads as probuild, u'll win with 40 armor lost But if u do 5 inf squads as 20 damage 10 armor build, u'll still win, but with 50 armor plus 13 damage loss. This get better when u do the 3 squads with 20 damage 10 armor build: 5 inf squads as probuild: 29 armor loss 20 damage 10 armor build: all armor loss plus 3 damage. Now tell me, which one is better?
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Post subject: Re: NEW Pro Build for soldiers !? Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:14 am |
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Quote: If u do a battle sim, 5 inf squads with 3 probuild squads.
If u do 5 inf squads as probuild, u'll win with 40 armor lost But if u do 5 inf squads as 20 damage 10 armor build, u'll still win, but with 50 armor plus 13 damage loss.
This get better when u do the 3 squads with 20 damage 10 armor build: 5 inf squads as probuild: 29 armor loss 20 damage 10 armor build: all armor loss plus 3 damage.
Now tell me, which one is better? sorry i dont get that... explain it again what should i simmulate? 1. u said that we CANT tell peoples what r we sending, n how many the opponent should put army to defend, right? so we scan? thats what i did, i scan n i saw his army are fully vehicle, so i sent my Anti vehicle which is 1/3 (by mats cost) of his army ... boom i won , now u said its not fair ... 2. on the last argue i always talking about battle simmulator, ur probuild vs my probuild, and using same chasis to avoid bonuses, but u said "in reality its immposible to tell the opponent how many army they put to defend" so now im really confuse, what can i do to prove that damage are better? using simmulator ? or battle report? Your Call
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aister
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Post subject: Re: NEW Pro Build for soldiers !? Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:10 am |
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Joined: Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:48 am Posts: 7996 Location: Fuyuki City Gender: male
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ok so u scan and see he has 50 veh, so u send 50 vehs to kill him?
First, scan has its inaccuracy. He might have 60, or even 80 vehicles. Or maybe he only has 20. However, the chance of having more than 50 can't be discarded.
Second, is it better to send 100 vehicles, instead of just sending 50? You don't scan and send the same amount. Again, you scan, spam or watever you do to get the number of units of the enemies. Then you send a larger forces to kill them, not sending the same forces as they have.
And in your images, the enemy is not using the probuild. The probuild always have a mix between armor and range, more specifically, 2 range : 1 armor or 7 range : 3 armor. While he uses only range, of course he'll be killed easily, if not in one round. Not to mention you are completely advantaged against him.
If you do a battle simulation between a larger forces against a smaller forces, pro build or not, larger forces win. However, with a probuild, your loss will be less than other builds. This is one main reason why probuild is considered better than the others. It minimized your loss and maximized your troops efficiency.
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Post subject: Re: NEW Pro Build for soldiers !? Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:56 pm |
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Joined: Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:55 am Posts: 1163
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breeco87 wrote: This image proves that his army is the best ever. Just let him have his victory. Stop trying to convince everyone to use the same build. If they want to use bad builds, let them. 
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YesNoMaybe
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Post subject: Re: NEW Pro Build for soldiers !? Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:14 pm |
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Joined: Sat Sep 24, 2011 8:20 am Posts: 462 Gender: male
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I stopped trying long ago.
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Post subject: Re: NEW Pro Build for soldiers !? Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:02 pm |
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Joined: Fri Apr 08, 2011 1:48 am Posts: 81
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I like that people think damage units are good(unless they are on my team). It lets me kill them with less loss then i should have. More exp for my troops with less loss to my armor win win.
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