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 Post subject: Re: Legalizing weed.
PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2010 7:22 am 
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liver cancer is gradual, emphysema can set in rapidly in smokers.

Again, you said it damages the liver and then just now say you never mentioned this:
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i never said it caused liver cancer, i said its deleterious effects were similiar to liver cancer from alcohol.

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im pointing out now that 2 words is not a rebuttal.

Typical useless banter.
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i said it causes lung cancer/lung damage. aka emphysema, its a strawman to continue this when you obviously cannot understand english. half a strike here, 2.5 strikes out of 3. ive pointed this out that i was comparing it to liver multiple times and on every occasion you have brought it up, by continuing to flount this out of context which was a reply to your reply to my point that was

Are you trying to prove anything by saying inhaling smoke causes lung problems? It's a known fact if you inhale anything through a pipe or bong you're damaging the lungs.. This entire time I've talked about "liver" not "lungs".
Useless banter.

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CAN SOMEONE ELSE HERE BACK ME UP?

From the looks of things, it's 3 against 1 and you're slowly deteriorating and about to leave the debate altogether. :roll:

As for your 'sources' I'm not finding the 165,000 people that had to go to rehab for marijuana addiction but in all three of them it did mention this little fact:
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Yes, Marijuana is an Addiction Problem

Like any other powerful, mood altering substance, people who are prone to chemical dependency can become addicted to marijuana.

For people with dependency tendencies, the answer is YES. There are too many people in the world who smoke marijuana almost every day to say otherwise. Marijuana, and its chemical THC, is a powerful, psychoactive, mood altering drug.
No, Marijuana is not an Addiction Problem

Some people can use it occasionally and then leave it alone for extended periods of time.take or leave it and have quit for long periods of time. And for those people the answer would be NO.

Obviously.
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For those who are susceptible to marijuana addiction, dependence can develop very quickly. Indicators for marijuana addiction tendencies include having family members who are alcoholics or drug addicts. Many people who are addicted to marijuana report having an instant attraction to the drug from the first use.
Obviously.

As for the 165,000 people that went to rehab and said their primary drug of choice is weed, it's cheap, safest drug, easy to get their hands on, and one of the easiest and funnest highs there are plus it stays in your system for depending on the individuals immune system it can last up to 30 days.
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It's not weed that draws them towards other drugs it's the immune system of our body that gets used to the THC high so you go onto something a bit tougher which is typically crystal meth in my state since crack is fairly expensive. By the time your body is immune to the high from meth then you're addicted.. Don't confuse gate-way drug with your bodies intuition to stay high.

That's quoted from one of my first posts that I've said it's possible to get addicted to the high depending on your body not the plant itself.
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The Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN), a system for monitoring the health impact of drugs, estimated that, in 2001, marijuana was a contributing factor in more than 110,000 emergency department (ED) visits in the United States, with about 15 percent of the patients between the ages of 12 and 17, and almost two-thirds male.

Obviously, it stays in your blood stream as mentioned before up to 30 days so the machine will pick up any traces smoked that entire month and from your sources it says most chronic marijuana users smoke more than just weed alone due to the lack of high from the immunity. Again like I asked in many posts before I ask you to go Google how many deaths have been caused due to marijuana directly.
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maybe you missed the point the first time round when you completely dismissed my link merely because it was maintained and the site was run by the media sector of the australian government. aka. the section that deals with the media. aka. the internet.

No government tells the honest truth and especially when we speak about the governments media department I'd say a very VERY slim fraction of their information is the truth. It's what they want you to know not what is real.

As for personal experience due to your zero knowledge.. I've been a daily smoker for 9 years with a 2 year gap due to military, my lungs and liver are still perfectly fine and healthy. In high school I was pressured into trying stronger chemicals such as crystal, crank, even tried some shrooms along with LSD as you had mentioned before.

Meth is possibly the most addictive of them all, you feel invincible during the high and when you're coming off it you just get tired.
Cocaine is one of the worst feelings in the world.. Coming off that is possibly the worst feeling I've been through in my life you just want to smoke more to keep the high going.
Shrooms is dangerously fun, it's not supposed to be used in large quantities and daily it's like a one time fun thing which the feelings can make people take it daily just to have fun.
LSD is same as cocaine it's not a fun thing to go through coming off of it.

Weed for 9 years like stated above I don't got any huge stresses in my life to make me feel dependent on the high like "all" cases of addiction result from. I still smoke but not as frequent as I used to just because I'm getting older but it doesn't mean I'm addicted just because I haven't quit yet nor do I feel dependent on it only time I felt that way is during active duty but that's for most in the military. That's my experience, no addictions, no deaths, no problems, nothing due to smoking marijuana.


Also, hope this brings strike 3 just means you can't hold an argument and have to go elsewhere, don't worry though I'll send you a box of tissues for Christmas. :mrgreen:

P.S. Am I missing something or is this some kind of new lingo I haven't picked up yet but what's "strawman"?

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 Post subject: Re: Legalizing weed.
PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2010 12:34 pm 
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@Rederoin:

Was that a compliment on my debating skills :P?

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Can I just wipe one "Pro-weed" argument.

Most of the arguments seem to be as follows :


Anti weed :Weed is a drug, addiction blah blah blah.
Pro weed :Alcohol/nicotine causes more deaths

... Ok ... fine ... fair enough
Alcohol and smoking cigarettes in general may cause more deaths than weed ... but ... let me remind you ...

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WEED HERE

Why are you bombing me with facts about alcohol ... we're talking about the legalization of weed .. not ill-legalization of alcohol.

Sure alcohol is bad. But. The second that gets banned. OUTRAGE.
Sure nicotine is bad. But ... again OUTRAGE at it's ban.

If weed was legal at the moment ... and the banned it this instant.
You wouldn't hear the roar of anger from the nation going "WHAT !!!??"

You'd hear the angry crys from the people who smoke it sure .... But ... meh.



In my honest opinion ... I'd rather see these drugs banned also ...
They cause so many deaths, for a small "high" or "Kick".

Alcohol has never passed my lips.
Nor has nicotine ( well ... apart from the disgusting passive smoking thing ... that is seriously RANK. )

Ban Alcohol.
Ban Nicotine.
- Much to the rage of the public

Keep weed illegal.

BUT.
Allow for the pro's of weed in medical research.
Weed can be used in medicine ... agree'd ... So ... LET it be used in medicine ... but keep it illegal for those people who find it "hilarious" to get high off this horrid drug.

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 Post subject: Re: Legalizing weed.
PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2010 12:58 pm 
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bammurdo wrote:
@Rederoin:

Was that a compliment on my debating skills :P?
You're better than IQ at it :P
So I suppose you could see it that way ;P



@Topic:

Can I just wipe one "Pro-weed" argument.

Most of the arguments seem to be as follows :


Anti weed :Weed is a drug, addiction blah blah blah.
Pro weed :Alcohol/nicotine causes more deaths

... Ok ... fine ... fair enough
Alcohol and smoking cigarettes in general may cause more deaths than weed ... but ... let me remind you ...

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WEED HERE

Why are you bombing me with facts about alcohol ... we're talking about the legalization of weed .. not ill-legalization of alcohol.

Sure alcohol is bad. But. The second that gets banned. OUTRAGE.
Sure nicotine is bad. But ... again OUTRAGE at it's ban.

If weed was legal at the moment ... and the banned it this instant.
You wouldn't hear the roar of anger from the nation going "WHAT !!!??"


You'd hear the angry crys from the people who smoke it sure .... But ... meh.



In my honest opinion ... I'd rather see these drugs banned also ...
They cause so many deaths, for a small "high" or "Kick".

Alcohol has never passed my lips.
Nor has nicotine ( well ... apart from the disgusting passive smoking thing ... that is seriously RANK. )

Ban Alcohol.
Ban Nicotine.
- Much to the rage of the public

Keep weed illegal.
All of those mentioned cause harm to the person using it.
Sure , drunk drivers kill , but drunk driving itself is illegal.


Anyway , this more a matter of opinion :

It doesn't matter if it causes harm to the person using it , its his choice.
Yes , you can get addicted to it , but banning it because you can get addicted to it.
Is like banning : Video games(including BD!) , watching TV , caffeine(which includes tea/coffee) etc...



-Ban it , if it is used and causes harm to others(E.G drunk driving or driving while being stoned)
-Keep it legal(including weed) if it doesen't.
-Ban its use in public places(besides alcohol , for obvious reasons)




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 Post subject: Re: Legalizing weed.
PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2010 3:16 pm 
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All of those mentioned cause harm to the person using it.
Sure , drunk drivers kill , but drunk driving itself is illegal.


Anyway , this more a matter of opinion :

It doesn't matter if it causes harm to the person using it , its his choice.
Yes , you can get addicted to it , but banning it because you can get addicted to it.
Is like banning : Video games(including BD!) , watching TV , caffeine(which includes tea/coffee) etc...

Video games/TV/caffeine don't cause death ... nor do they smell as horrible



-Ban it , if it is used and causes harm to others(E.G drunk driving or driving while being stoned)
So ban driving under the influence of weed? but smoking it generally is fine?
-Keep it legal(including weed) if it doesen't.
No wait ...you want it to be legal to smoke weed and drive?

-Ban its use in public places(besides alcohol , for obvious reasons)

Yea




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It doesn't matter if it causes harm to the person using it , its his/Her choice

Yeah. His/her choice.
But I don't like the smell of it?
I don't even want to be in the same room as the dirty drug, providing I'm not on the brink of death at a hospital.

I seriously HATE the stench of it.
And how the people who smoke it put up with it astonishes me.



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 Post subject: Re: Legalizing weed.
PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2010 4:31 pm 
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bammurdo wrote:
rederoin wrote:
All of those mentioned cause harm to the person using it.
Sure , drunk drivers kill , but drunk driving itself is illegal.


Anyway , this more a matter of opinion :

It doesn't matter if it causes harm to the person using it , its his choice.
Yes , you can get addicted to it , but banning it because you can get addicted to it.
Is like banning : Video games(including BD!) , watching TV , caffeine(which includes tea/coffee) etc...

Video games/TV/caffeine don't cause death ... nor do they smell as horrible
Video game addiction does infact kill.
So does caffeine , it is possible to die to a lack of sleep , usually our body's "tells" us when we need sleep , but due caffeine you won't notice it.(honestly , what other legal drug allows somebody to be awake for 55+ hours?)

But still , addiction should not be a reason to ban something imo.




-Ban it , if it is used and causes harm to others(E.G drunk driving or driving while being stoned)
[/color]So ban driving under the influence of weed? but smoking it generally is fine?
yes

-Keep it legal(including weed) if it doesn't.
[/color]No wait ...you want it to be legal to smoke weed and drive?
"if it doesn't harm others , and I don't really consider its "smell" that harm-full , its avoidable.

-Ban its use in public places(besides alcohol , for obvious reasons)
[/color]
Yea





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It doesn't matter if it causes harm to the person using it , its his/Her choice

Yeah. His/her choice.
But I don't like the smell of it?
I don't even want to be in the same room as the dirty drug, providing I'm not on the brink of death at a hospital.
Like I said , ban its use (including nicotine!) in public places(restaurants/playgrounds/bars/clubs/stations)

If you don't like the smell , then avoid "private"(somebody's home..?) places of people who smoke them.



I seriously HATE the stench of it.
And how the people who smoke it put up with it astonishes me.
i hate the "stench" of perfume , deodorant , but that's not a reason to ban it.


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 Post subject: Re: Legalizing weed.
PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2010 5:54 pm 
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usually deodorants are designed to smell pleasant.
Rather than weed which just ... stinks like, ... just pure turd.

Weed would make you recoil at it's smell.


If I had to sit in a room next to:
A) Someone with a lot of perfume on
B) Smoking weed

I'd choose the perfume ...
Sure, It may be a little over powering sometimes ...
But it wont make it want death as soon as I leave.


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 Post subject: Re: Legalizing weed.
PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2010 7:14 pm 
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Rather than weed which just ... stinks like, ... just pure turd.
So does Deodorants.

Weed would make you recoil at it's smell.


If I had to sit in a room next to:
A) Someone with a lot of perfume on
B) Smoking weed

I'd choose the perfume ...
Sure, It may be a little over powering sometimes ...
But it wont make it want death as soon as I leave.
And i'd choose neither.
why?
Becease you're not supposed to smell somebody trough a bloody wall!
Any decent wall blocks the smell of well... most things.

Besides , you seriously wants something banned becease it smells bad?

Should "not showering once a day" be a crime?
Should "not brushing you're teeth twice a day" be a crime?
Should "sweating" be a crime?
Should "smelling bad be a crime?
Should "not using deodorant" be a crime?

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 Post subject: Re: Legalizing weed.
PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2010 9:31 pm 
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I love the smell of weed, makes my mouth water.

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 Post subject: Re: Legalizing weed.
PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 3:12 am 
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As for me it makes me want to throw up.

The smell is terrible it is a vulgar stench than (like smoking) sticks to you. you can smell a weed smoker everywhere, where they've been and so forth.

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 Post subject: Re: Legalizing weed.
PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 6:04 am 
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As for me it makes me want to throw up.

The smell is terrible it is a vulgar stench than (like smoking) sticks to you. you can smell a weed smoker everywhere, where they've been and so forth.

Untrue to a certain extent.. Most smokers know it clings to their clothes so they cover it up with cologne some even to an abundant amount where you know he's trying to cover something up.. But never the less most smokers know and they clean themselves up.

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