Leaving to a friendly allaince would be fine..

But an enemy allaince on the other hand....
And doing it twice in 1 round...
You betrayed them , not you..
Leaving an allaince to join an enemy , is always a backstabs , not in evry case.
But in this one... it is..


When i left HKF(E3)(whas falling apart) i atleast did not join the enemy..
While you left HKF(E4) and did join the enemy (S whas a enemy atm).
And now your leaving S to join DRAW , is it just a coinidence their 1#? and Routhy joins them?
I think not.
And i doubt that S had no allies..
All i can say..
I woulden't have been on vacation when you left for S , you probs would not have made it.


p.s I'm on harry's side(E2)

~Rederoin

I love it when someone has something to say and they tell it in a way to benefit themselves. All those who agree with Routhy are ignorant to fact that they agree with only hearing one side. A side that has been constructed to make it seem Routhy was all in the right. I’ll be short and to the point.

DRAW did not go unchallenged.

Routhy attacked our DRAW Ops in Aussie for what appeared to be no reason.

Not only did you attack DRAW’s ops in Aussie that took me days to settle, but you did not participate in the fight against DRAW. You planted an OP right in DRAW’s hive without it even being attacked. When earlier Red planted one and it was attacked immediately. Then you started (READY) to send the RELIC (yes you had a relic which you forgot to mention) towards DRAW.

ANYONE would put this together as you leaving for the enemy with the relic. Which would have tied us up and DRAW would have won by score.

ANYONE wouldn’t have allowed this to happen. You want to leave in peace, so be it. Ask Apollo, he was able to leave in peace.

BUT WITH A RELIC, I don’t think so. You want to leave for the enemy go ahead, I don’t care, leave the relic behind.

If DRAW wanted you because of you, they would have still accepted you. They only wanted you because you had the relic and you were willing to leave with it.

DRAW nuked my relic, then built ops to where I moved it, I suspected an attack was going to come so I took out the ops that were built near my relic.

As for my relic, Tabula was quite happy for me to leave it for S to take, and I have never expressed any qualms with you guys attacking my relic, I expected it, and do not disagree with it.

Get your facts straight.


Oh, and to Rederoin, if an alliance's leader changes, the new leader should not expect every member to be automatically obliged to serve him - since they may not have agreed with him becoming leader in the first place.

Trister was threatening to kick me for defending my relic against DRAW, which seems to me, on it's own, to be ample reason to leave.

DRAW did not nuke your relic. Get YOUR facts straight! DRAC nuked your relic. Do you recall Jack of Mesa and viKill?, yeah they were DRAC or DROW (whichever) not DRAW. They didn't have us marked as friendly. that was straighted out and I told you guys that. Yet you still felt the need to attack DRAW's op (an ally) in Aussie to protect your relic when there was no threat present. I also requested you to move the relic up by us where the rest were, for better protection, and you did not.

I threatened to kick you because NO ONE should be attacking allies. (or does that not fall under your "common policy"? I think the threat to kick you for attacking allies was well deserved since I gave no orders to do so. That only causes more problems not solve them. Maybe you're right that I shouldn't have threatened you, which in fact I should have just kicked you out... without notice. Not to mention, you can't really say I threatened you if you were so willing to leave anyway.

If you did not accept me becoming leader, why did you stay so long? You should have left just as quickly as Apollo did.

And ALL MEMBERS should and must serve the leader. It is expected by any leader in any alliance. If you do not agree to serving your leader, then vote someone else or leave the alliance. I'm not the type of leader that always says do this do that. I ask and involve members in the decision or what actions to take, or any opinion they may have. I only resort to telling players what to do, if they are not doing what was planned, or what a vet player would being doing on their own without me having to say anything, or doing nothing at all.

If you had no problems leaving the relic behind and expected that we would want the relic back, then why didn't you just mention that you were leaving and handed it over? Instead you tried to leave with it.

What do you think was going to happen when all of sudden you left the alliance, you have an OPs in DRAW's hive, and moving the relic away from us? How are we to know that you haven't been leaking information to DRAW from the time you decided to join them? And we are certainly not going to have your colony right in our hive when you join them. How were we to know that you weren't going to join DRAW before relcoating and giving this a straight path right into our hive?

A lot of this could have been avoided if you had just talked and informed me.... AS apollo did.

You still did betray the members of S by trying joining DRAW.

Its betrayal , no discussion possible(well it is , but i would win it.)

you kicked me, and tricked the members into thinking I left so they'd play along with your dirty tactics without realising it.

As for the attacks, I was not the only one who did it, hell, red posted DOZENS of DRAW attack messages, and yet he's still in the alliance.

Don't try and make out this was my doing.

YOU did it all.



When I left HKF for S, Riodan asked me if I would leak info, and I said no.

I play with honour, I would not join DRAW while in S territory, I would not leak info.

The outpost was for relocation before I joined, genius.

That's funny. I did kick you. you were about to leave. what the hell is wrong with you. so what if I kicked you, you were about to leave. Should I say it one more time?

If you were not about to leave or you were to leave without the relic, then that would be a different story and I would be in the wrong, BUT YOU WERE IN FACT ABOUT TO LEAVE... WITH THE RELIC... JOINING THE ENEMY. One more time? If we were to let you leave in peace the relic would have been out of our reach. You were moving the relic as far as possible as quick as possible so that there would be no way of us getting it back... at least I'm sure that is what you were hoping for.

And it's really funny that you say I tricked S members to attack you... funny! real funny. I did nothing of the sort. I told them I kicked you because you were about to join the enemy and take the relic with you. I wasn't even the one who thought to attack you. AND I wasn't even the one who realized you had an OP in DRAW are that you were moving the relic... another member did. All I realized is that you were not doing anything against DRAW.

Man will you get your facts straight? Red did not post dozens of draw attack messages. He messaged coordinates to get everyone in position TO attack DRAW, WHEN and IF that time came.

Red planted an OP in DRAW and told them if they attack it, it's war. And they attacked it, and Red solely started attacking them. There was no way of talking it out with DRAW as I tried. As they were concerned the war was on. I have spoken to Red about it as well. Could I have kicked him out? Sure, but what's done is done and I need members right now. Plus to my knowledge he is aiding in the fight.

Obviously the outpost was for relocation. That's what confirmed that you were joining them. duh'. To insinuate that I'm that dumb is offensive.

You call joining the enemy honorable? HA! And as to you leaking information that was Prince, not me. Who obviously trusted you more than I did/do. I don’t trust anyone in this game unless that alliance or that player can prove their trustworthiness.


I'm done this converstion. there is nothing left to be said as all the facts are out there as to why this happened.

Obviously, cooler heads should have prevailed. In the end, this situation leaves S with a ton of bad press and all we kept were some crystals and the relic. I disagree with some in S in that I do believe Routhy should have been allowed to leave S, and in some respects am okay with his chosen destination of DRAW. However, the manner in which this was attempted is where things went wrong.

First, you need to notify the leader and alliance as a whole of your intentions -- sneaking away with a relic is NOT the way to leave on good terms. This way, terms for switching "sides" could be agreed on by all involved (includes exclusion zone, period of NAP, etc). Of course, there might have been a disagreement in terms and we could still be arguing about betrayal.

Second, it's illogical that you would be able to leave with the relic, which was earned by a group effort (unfortunately, I did not join S until recently and don't know the specifics). Relocate with your crystals and conquers, leave the alliance, allow the relic to be recaptured. You should not have begun moving the relic away from our cluster toward our enemies.

Lastly, switching sides is always a tricky thing. Your units were strategically located central to our outposts, and you had intimate knowledge of the internal communications of the group. How to get around these issues would have been a problem. It would have been easier if you left for an ally, or at least someone neutral.

Leaving for an enemy is tricky business, leaving while trying to bring a relic is something else altogether. S conquering you is quite understandable.

I was one of the S members that discussed Routhy leaving with the relic. At no time did Routhy ever post a mass message stating that he was joining DRAW. I noticed Routhy was moving the relic west out of our area and then we noticed he had an outpost in the DRAW hive. If you would have been truthful about your intentions from the start, I would have voted to let you leave peacefully. Your sneaky tactics were dishonorable. I begged Trister to kick you to keep that relic from leaving the area. We had nothing to gain or lose by allowing you to join DRAW. My only issue was the relic. You were doing zero attacks against DRAW after the fighting started so it was not like we were losing any support.