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 Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance!
PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 3:36 pm 
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in short, who has red will monopolize the worlds, then many players will quit playing and even the same red booster's lost the will to play (easy) and BD die. BD will have to fill this hole with some incentive for players that do not boost RED's.


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 Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance!
PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:41 pm 
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in short, who has red will monopolize the worlds, then many players will quit playing and even the same red booster's lost the will to play (easy) and BD die. BD will have to fill this hole with some incentive for players that do not boost RED's.

How do you explain those that dominate without reds then?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:43 pm 
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sick idea , that is like sucking people's friendship and money by using red tokens only , why don't you take away the first rank tokens as well , this is not fair to some people who are poor and only here to enjoy the game , if this happens their will be no one interesting in BD unless he own a pay pal with money that he don't need , leave the rank 2 and 3 some blues , let them have hope and dreams that one day they can collect enough to try for first


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 Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance!
PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:52 pm 
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leave the rank 2 and 3 some blues , let them have hope and dreams that one day they can collect enough to try for first

Every time I play I go for first and I achieve it with no reds and little or no blues. The ability to achieve first is in no way tied to tokens, it is tied to your mentality as a player. If you believe that you cannot win without massive amounts of blues or by boosting red tokens you have defeated yourself, you cannot blame that on what someone else does. If you go into every era and say I'm going for first and nothing is going to stand in my way you will do well. Will you lose at first? Quite possibly but hey just going for 2nd or 3rd you are losing anyways. The difference is when you go for nothing but first you will inevitably fight a lot of wars, in doing so you will pick up experience every era. By doing that it won't be long until you are easily able to apply that to victories in every era you play.

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 Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance!
PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:31 pm 
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tomats wrote:
sick idea , that is like sucking people's friendship and money by using red tokens only , why don't you take away the first rank tokens as well , this is not fair to some people who are poor and only here to enjoy the game , if this happens their will be no one interesting in BD unless he own a pay pal with money that he don't need , leave the rank 2 and 3 some blues , let them have hope and dreams that one day they can collect enough to try for first

it would be cool if the 2nd and 3rd rank also fought, but couldn't win and ended up at that rank. We wouldn't have had to make this decision if that's the case. However in most cases, it is not.

Most 2nd and 3rd ranks now either traded relics in order to maintain rank 2 and 3, or even part of their families / factions / sub empires. Which just literally block off competitions from other alliances and completely kill the game.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:54 pm 
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Since I was mentioned I'll add in on this. I have been "walking the walk" as you said since day 1 playing. I have a reputation for it and it is why I have so many strong players wanting to recruit me. Hell I did it here on .com when joining late, being inactive, and just messing around to help a friend of mine. Reached second place (personal rank) with the best stats on the era and 20 squads of range 4 or 5 units (only reason rank 1 was higher than me is they gave him all 10 relics). I do not and will not play now because of my position and the trouble it would cause but if you would like to learn how to be able to do this we'd be happy to have you in the aanc.

sorry i think noobs or new players can learn better just as we learned
just playing the game in a smaller alliance that you call a sub or a family alliance is best couse that is how you experience wars and deal with everything from people who really do more then just get ideas writen
i didn't started with an adopt a noob center when i was a beginer but been a part of a sub and in the first era i got enough experience whithout fighting that much that compared to what aanc might learn you is huge
braging about how you do things and how you can't get involved is just an excuse
you don't know the cruel fight we do but it is simple to judge from the outside
even big alliances get backstabed like we've been
also we get alliances teaming up against us - that is competition
handing out blues in exchange for reds isn't geting there
also if a sub doesn't get a prize then the leaders of those alliances won't be motivated to fight...
some settle for lower rankings also - that is true but i repeat ... test your rules compared to a real playing world and see how non boosters reach the levels of the boosters
how manny tokens are needed on both sides to level the plainfield
also see it in live action how it is with no blues to handle a boosting ACTIVE alliance couse all talk about red boosters as they are just sleeping there and spending monney to sleep


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 Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance!
PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:22 pm 
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sorry i think noobs or new players can learn better just as we learned
just playing the game in a smaller alliance that you call a sub or a family alliance is best couse that is how you experience wars and deal with everything from people who really do more then just get ideas writen
i didn't started with an adopt a noob center when i was a beginer but been a part of a sub and in the first era i got enough experience whithout fighting that much that compared to what aanc might learn you is huge
braging about how you do things and how you can't get involved is just an excuse
you don't know the cruel fight we do but it is simple to judge from the outside
even big alliances get backstabed like we've been
also we get alliances teaming up against us - that is competition
handing out blues in exchange for reds isn't geting there
also if a sub doesn't get a prize then the leaders of those alliances won't be motivated to fight...
some settle for lower rankings also - that is true but i repeat ... test your rules compared to a real playing world and see how non boosters reach the levels of the boosters
how manny tokens are needed on both sides to level the plainfield
also see it in live action how it is with no blues to handle a boosting ACTIVE alliance couse all talk about red boosters as they are just sleeping there and spending monney to sleep


So you're telling me, that I don't know the cruel fight? That I don't know what its like to be in the number one alliance and to get teamed up on? I may not have won but that experience is better than none.

You're saying I haven't been backstabed? I got backstabed out of a win that I earned, that I spent over 3 weeks of about 4-5 hours of sleep making sure my alliance stayed alive and all I got was a big stab in the back and the scars to prove it.

My first taste of battle dawn was when my friend Icon showed me what it was like to get utterly demolished, and well after that I learned a lot. But the real question is why not still apply to the AANC?

Subs don't give you a taste of anything, before I applied to be a mentor I joined an IND sub on e1 and well all thats happened so far is the leaders thrown orders at us and well not many of them have been completed, I can say that inactivity+TwF completely owning the era had something major to do with it.

Also would you like me to show you some screenies of what non blue boosters can do? I mean I have a few on hand http://prntscr.com/2opo0r http://prntscr.com/2opog9

If I can do these things without boosting and just being on and active, and just messing around and having fun, WHICH is the whole intent of this game, because once you stop having fun there really is no point to play.

Cruel fight we do... I have a lot to say on this but its better to hold my tongue.

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 Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance!
PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:42 pm 
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Korupt wrote:
Since I was mentioned I'll add in on this. I have been "walking the walk" as you said since day 1 playing. I have a reputation for it and it is why I have so many strong players wanting to recruit me. Hell I did it here on .com when joining late, being inactive, and just messing around to help a friend of mine. Reached second place (personal rank) with the best stats on the era and 20 squads of range 4 or 5 units (only reason rank 1 was higher than me is they gave him all 10 relics). I do not and will not play now because of my position and the trouble it would cause but if you would like to learn how to be able to do this we'd be happy to have you in the aanc.

sorry i think noobs or new players can learn better just as we learned
just playing the game in a smaller alliance that you call a sub or a family alliance is best couse that is how you experience wars and deal with everything from people who really do more then just get ideas writen
i didn't started with an adopt a noob center when i was a beginer but been a part of a sub and in the first era i got enough experience whithout fighting that much that compared to what aanc might learn you is huge
braging about how you do things and how you can't get involved is just an excuse
you don't know the cruel fight we do but it is simple to judge from the outside
even big alliances get backstabed like we've been
also we get alliances teaming up against us - that is competition
handing out blues in exchange for reds isn't geting there
also if a sub doesn't get a prize then the leaders of those alliances won't be motivated to fight...
some settle for lower rankings also - that is true but i repeat ... test your rules compared to a real playing world and see how non boosters reach the levels of the boosters
how manny tokens are needed on both sides to level the plainfield
also see it in live action how it is with no blues to handle a boosting ACTIVE alliance couse all talk about red boosters as they are just sleeping there and spending monney to sleep

we've had worlds with only prize for 1st rank several times, heck according to some players we used to have only prize for 1st rank a long time ago. And at that time the gap between boosters and non-boosters are even larger than it is now, yet they play still fine.

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 Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance!
PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:03 pm 
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ok since you are so "great" do you mind proving yourself on that rule ?
everyone talks the talk but noone walks the walk

I have walked the "WALK"...Basically i am a BG player bt now not much ACTIVE...PLO has been killed by us along wid his team mates in g4 or something..i don't remmeber.....he also makes NOOBISH mistakes that keeping attacking on a shielded colony.
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how do you know how deep is plo's pocket ?
please spare me the details as you would talk to a new player here

Regarding this...i think the World's most richest person has a limitation of Money or does he not?i Hope ur not so fool that u cannot know the limitations of a PERSON......nd try to kill Red Boosters'.My friend as u kill RED boosters u make them boost more nd thus support BD-as KORUPT says.
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please read the hole post and not try and "mentor" me since i didn't ask for that

I never once did use the word Mentor bt by saying so..u describe urself as Willing to learn nd increas my reputation as i am not a AANC mentor bt stil u describe me so.. :lol: :lol: :D :D
ND yes MAN makes mistakes so PLO also makes Noobish mistakes...try to use them
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it is fair for 1 alliance to fight 4 ?
how about 1 allliance and 2 subs fighting 4 alliances ? is that more fair ?
think about all this

This is currently the condition of BG servers because of TK..i am not saying they are good players...bt because of soo maky TK the game looks Dull...nd yes now if u say that TK will kill me when i come to play BG..then Rajpoot bro ..COnquer bro nd many others know me very well.........as for ur proving the WALK...currently i have no tym bt in May rest assured i hope i will come to play.... :lol: :lol: :lol:


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see current player H in e1..without reds he is getting 3rd rank so why can't u??? :lol: :cry:

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 Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance!
PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:25 pm 
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First I'm going to point out that you said playing in a sub was just for learning. That's great and it really can be a good way for new players to learn. It is not always a good way because if the sub does not know what they are doing you have the blind leading the blind. I can tell you this is not the case most of the time however. Newbs do not get into rank 2 or 3 alliances, it simply doesn't happen. For something else you said however about the AANC, you already said you did not experience the AANC so I would say you are not really qualified to comment on that.

Now I'll talk about the personal comments on me. I've no need to make excuses just as I've no need to prove myself, if you wish to test my reputation ask anyone that has ever played with me or watched me play. You say I don't know the "cruel fight" I made a habit of fighting the server, I'm not happy until the map is painted red and the only alliance left with crystals is my own. Now the other thing you said "even big alliances get backstabbed like we've been" here's the thing, there should be no big alliances. The alliance size is the same for every player on the world. You are countering those rules by bringing your subs every era, plain and simple. Your comment about handing out blues for reds, you'll have to explain that to me. Lastly you say if a sub doesn't get a prize then the leaders won't be motivated to fight, great! I hope you are correct in that because I would love to see all the subs disappear and actually fight for their own benefit rather than be a servant to someone else.

As for testing it, it was this way before and was changed to see if it promoted competition. It had the best intentions of any update but it did not work unfortunately. This is not a new idea but the reimplementation of an old and successful one.

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