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 Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance!
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:35 pm 
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I think that it would be better to keep the 2nd and 3rd token rewards BUT if the 2nd or 3rd ranked alliance is a sub of the rank 1 then token reward moves down to the next rank like say rank 3 alliance is sub of rank 1 then the token reward for 3rd goes to 4th

we can't really determine if the 2nd or 3rd rank is the sub or not. Wat if they are just allied to each other, or was a sub but then changed their name at last minutes?


It wouldn't work, people could lie and cheat their way into blue tokens. Not something we want now is it

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 Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance!
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:01 pm 
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sadly, the moment we tried to help people to get better at the game, there will be those who try to cheat their way through it and get the advantages the way it shouldn't.

as long as there are these kind of people, there will be less and less advantages, and in the end it's those real players, who play the game the way it should be, get hurt the most.

First it's the blue for voting, now it's the 2nd and 3rd rank reward, I dread to think of wat will be next if we don't fix the our mindset and realize the mistakes that we've done.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:10 pm 
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charlesM wrote:
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Now some may say that AANC mentors are doing that exactly.But is it?


A lot of this is hard to teach. It's all very situational and unless the situation occurs, can sometimes be forgotten about or very hard to explain.

Advaned gameplay isn't something that should be tought so much (however if someone was to ask, as a mentor I would happily help out with what I could). It comes down to experience with the game. As a new player that has just gone through a mentor program, or a new player who has grown a large understanding to the game, the best thing to do for them is to create a team that seeks out an era where they can declare wars on multiple alliances. It doesn't matter if they win, but it will throw them in to these certain situations where they will have to think about what their next move may be. Even then, if players did this and then had to ask someone for advice on a plan of action, a mentor would be able to give much better advice as they could understand the situation perfectly.

Just like learning how to swim is useless unless you jump in to the swimming pool, being tought advanced gameplay is somewhat useless unless you throw yourself in to wars :)

Exact Answer was given to me by Korupt.Now if 2 people's answer's are same..then they cant be wrong.... :lol: :D :D

Andy is quite right in this and as you said I basically told you the same thing on skype. Advanced tactics really do depend on the situation, could we write down some advanced situation and try to walk you through how you should react? Yes we could but the likelihood that it will sink in is almost non existent. It is not until you actually have to face something and do it yourself that you will remember it. That is however another reason I made the mentor and newb chat which you can stay in forever. If you ever run into something that you are unsure how to handle or just want some input/advice you can ask us and we will be glad to walk you through it. As well as tell you all the pros and cons of the actions you could take.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:06 pm 
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aister wrote:
sadly, the moment we tried to help people to get better at the game, there will be those who try to cheat their way through it and get the advantages the way it shouldn't.

as long as there are these kind of people, there will be less and less advantages, and in the end it's those real players, who play the game the way it should be, get hurt the most.

First it's the blue for voting, now it's the 2nd and 3rd rank reward, I dread to think of wat will be next if we don't fix the our mindset and realize the mistakes that we've done.


Wow. I couldn't have said it any better.

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 Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance!
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:19 pm 
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So you damage a unique trait in this game, that being diplomacy. All you do is kill all, kill enough and boost enough and you win.


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 Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance!
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:29 pm 
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So you damage a unique trait in this game, that being diplomacy. All you do is kill all, kill enough and boost enough and you win.

I don't think you truly understand diplomacy. Asking someone to let you live so you can gain some blue tokens is not diplomacy. Diplomacy would be uniting weaker teams together to fight the rank 1 alliance. I don't understand the number of people that say bowing down to one alliance is diplomacy.

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 Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance!
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:40 pm 
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ITS VERY SIMPLE TO SAY TAT HAVING AN EXPIRIENCED & ACTIVE TEAM WITHOUT BOOSTING WILLL LEAD TO U WIN....
LOL THIS IS THE JOKE OF CENTURY

WELL MALICE & OTHER GUYS WHO THINKS IT IS POSSIBLE, I'M SURE U GUYS URSELF HAVENT TRIED TAT YET.

Take ur current era Malice, u have boosted alot ur in top 10 but ur whole alliance members have rank like 120 & 143 & 60
what's this now?

Well i'll give u guys a example then u relate it to BD
Suppose there is a poor family with 3 members mother , father, & child. Father is the only working head of the family & boy studies in 5th grade.

One day the father met with an accident & now he is hospitalized. Doctors say it will take 4-5 months for his to get well & be back to work.

Now for medicines, operations , other basic facalities for them FROM WHERE WILL THE MONEY COME? DAD HIS IN HOSPITAL HE CANT EARN. They might take a loan from bank BUT THERE IS NO LOAN SYSTEM IN BATTLEDAWN.If u remove tokens for 3rd & 2nd its same like the father's case.

Like the way their father needs money,We need blue tokens to run our alliances..

Hope u guys getting my point.


This was a horrible example.... If your father is in the hospital, I would think you shouldn't be focusing on BD anyways and DEFINITELY shouldn't even worry at all about boosting. I'd be a little upset that the child didn't care about his father and was complaining on a BD forum that he couldn't boost himself.

And as for your statement about me being a high rank in M2 right now. You are correct, I have boosted $36 so far and it has given me a great start. Could I have had such a great start at the beginning of the era without my boosting reds? Probably not, though it's not impossible. Have I NEVER played without boosting? Yes. I did for my first 4 years of playing BD. I DIDN'T HAVE A CREDIT CARD BACK THEN TO DONATE WITH. So everything I did was on my own without reds. You'll see my name numerous times in the old HoF on the forums even still. Now was I ranked 1st place individually? No. No I wasn't. But I still did well and still ended up in 1st or 2nd ranked alliances very often. I still gave a hell of a fight against enemies. AND I never got a single blue for 2nd or 3rd place during these times. And what do you know! I did just fine!

If you want me to do a round without any tokens, then sure, I can do that. I'll be much slower to get things rolling and may even fall on my face! It's always the luck of the draw on how things play out on each world. Even while boosting, there is no guarantee that I will win M2. And if we do, guess what? Over half my members do not boost. And guess what, they are active and constantly saving my butt! I am VERY dependent upon my members even as a booster. And there would be a great example of a team of non-boosters winning. It may or may not happen. But please don't go accusing me of anything. I have done my dues on BD without boosting. If I choose to boost now that I have the money to do so, I will do so. But I have had to go through the hardships of not being able to boost many times in the past.


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So you damage a unique trait in this game, that being diplomacy. All you do is kill all, kill enough and boost enough and you win.


You should kill anyways. Although this game is part diplomacy, it is more so a strategy game. Meaning, war, diplomacy, tactics, killing; they are all involved. diplomacy is a single part of the game. It should not be ALL of it.

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 Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance!
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:46 pm 
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I just don't see this working.... Battlehugs are a problem but i don't think this will solve it.

The big alliance on F3 or E2 or M1 will still keep winning but now 2nd and 3rd place alliance members will get nothing...It just increases gap (an no i don't mean between red boosters and whatever a "regular" player is) I mean between the winning alliances on their respected worlds and those trying to make a name for themselves

This just doesn't work to me....

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 Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance!
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:18 pm 
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Military88 wrote:
I just don't see this working.... Battlehugs are a problem but i don't think this will solve it.

I partly agree, this will only solve one small part of the problems, there will be those friends who hug u without the intention of even getting into top 10. However, no matter how small it is, doing something to solve it is better than not doing anything, right?

Personally I don't like the idea, it would be a better idea to completely change the mindset of the players so that they will rather go for 1st. But then again, doing something in hope that it will improve the problem is better than not doing anything.

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 Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance!
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:39 pm 
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Military88 wrote:
I just don't see this working.... Battlehugs are a problem but i don't think this will solve it.

The big alliance on F3 or E2 or M1 will still keep winning but now 2nd and 3rd place alliance members will get nothing...It just increases gap (an no i don't mean between red boosters and whatever a "regular" player is) I mean between the winning alliances on their respected worlds and those trying to make a name for themselves

I'm pretty sure rank 2 and rank 3 didn't fight the rank 1 alliance.. and will most likely ally them again the era after if the rank 1 alliance is about to win again

This just doesn't work to me....

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