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Andy · **Posted:** Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:42 am

Hitmo wrote:

ITS VERY SIMPLE TO SAY TAT HAVING AN EXPIRIENCED & ACTIVE TEAM WITHOUT BOOSTING WILLL LEAD TO U WIN....
LOL THIS IS THE JOKE OF CENTURY

WELL MALICE & OTHER GUYS WHO THINKS IT IS POSSIBLE, I'M SURE U GUYS URSELF HAVENT TRIED TAT YET.

Take ur current era Malice, u have boosted alot ur in top 10 but ur whole alliance members have rank like 120 & 143 & 60
what's this now?

Well i'll give u guys a example then u relate it to BD
Suppose there is a poor family with 3 members mother , father, & child. Father is the only working head of the family & boy studies in 5th grade.

One day the father met with an accident & now he is hospitalized. Doctors say it will take 4-5 months for his to get well & be back to work.

Now for medicines, operations , other basic facalities for them FROM WHERE WILL THE MONEY COME? DAD HIS IN HOSPITAL HE CANT EARN. They might take a loan from bank BUT THERE IS NO LOAN SYSTEM IN BATTLEDAWN.If u remove tokens for 3rd & 2nd its same like the father's case.

Like the way their father needs money,We need blue tokens to run our alliances..

Hope u guys getting my point.

For those who say you can't win without boosting... should listen to this!

Just before summer i blew all my blue tokens I had achieved just messing around with friends (without winning). Then during summer greeny asked me to play a M2 era with him as a mess about. I was happy to do this and on the server only 2 of the 10 guys in the alliance boosted. I will also point out we were lead by Greeny. We still won the era.
The players Greeny had brought together worked really well together. We competed hard against each other to grab what ever we could and that pushed the alliance in to a top ranking alliance. Then when it came to war we managed to come together and work effectivly in war and because of it we won.
Again on another era with FPM, only one player boosted. We had won the previous era and we wanted a relaxing era. One of our players boosted in the hope he could get another alliance and to kill an alliance who he disliked. Aside from this nobody else boosted. We started off slowly staying low, all untill rank 1 alliance backstabbed us. Even with them massivly outpowering us, we managed to kill them and secure a victory for that era. Not because we boosted, because FPM worked amazingly well as a team.
So yes, it's very possible to win without boosting (especially if I've been able to win with Greeny in a none-boosting alliance). There are better examples (like Korrupt), but coming from a less experienced player, as I've only been actively playing the game for just over a year now, I've found it possible to win eras without boosting.
Anyone saying they can only win with boosting, is nothing more of an excuse. At worst, you can prove yourself to be a true contender without boosting and if you truely are a good player you will get noticed (this is how I got noticed). From here you will start being placed in stronger alliances where a few guys will boost and it may help carry your game. The era I got noticed was an F3 era two summers ago. I placed, got conquered, and then went to conquer the whole alliance with the one player who conquered me. I started climbing up in ranks and the rank 1 alliance was one player short so asked if I would be happy to play with them. While we didn't win, I managed to create friends in the alliance that allowed me to start competing for the win on BD.

Hitmo · **Posted:** Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:48 am

Andy wrote:

Hitmo wrote:

ITS VERY SIMPLE TO SAY TAT HAVING AN EXPIRIENCED & ACTIVE TEAM WITHOUT BOOSTING WILLL LEAD TO U WIN....
LOL THIS IS THE JOKE OF CENTURY

WELL MALICE & OTHER GUYS WHO THINKS IT IS POSSIBLE, I'M SURE U GUYS URSELF HAVENT TRIED TAT YET.

Take ur current era Malice, u have boosted alot ur in top 10 but ur whole alliance members have rank like 120 & 143 & 60
what's this now?

Well i'll give u guys a example then u relate it to BD
Suppose there is a poor family with 3 members mother , father, & child. Father is the only working head of the family & boy studies in 5th grade.

One day the father met with an accident & now he is hospitalized. Doctors say it will take 4-5 months for his to get well & be back to work.

Now for medicines, operations , other basic facalities for them FROM WHERE WILL THE MONEY COME? DAD HIS IN HOSPITAL HE CANT EARN. They might take a loan from bank BUT THERE IS NO LOAN SYSTEM IN BATTLEDAWN.If u remove tokens for 3rd & 2nd its same like the father's case.

Like the way their father needs money,We need blue tokens to run our alliances..

Hope u guys getting my point.

For those who say you can't win without boosting... should listen to this!

Just before summer i blew all my blue tokens I had achieved just messing around with friends (without winning). Then during summer greeny asked me to play a M2 era with him as a mess about. I was happy to do this and on the server only 2 of the 10 guys in the alliance boosted. I will also point out we were lead by Greeny. We still won the era.
The players Greeny had brought together worked really well together. We competed hard against each other to grab what ever we could and that pushed the alliance in to a top ranking alliance. Then when it came to war we managed to come together and work effectivly in war and because of it we won.
Again on another era with FPM, only one player boosted. We had won the previous era and we wanted a relaxing era. One of our players boosted in the hope he could get another alliance and to kill an alliance who he disliked. Aside from this nobody else boosted. We started off slowly staying low, all untill rank 1 alliance backstabbed us. Even with them massivly outpowering us, we managed to kill them and secure a victory for that era. Not because we boosted, because FPM worked amazingly well as a team.
So yes, it's very possible to win without boosting (especially if I've been able to win with Greeny in a none-boosting alliance). There are better examples (like Korrupt), but coming from a less experienced player, as I've only been actively playing the game for just over a year now, I've found it possible to win eras without boosting.
Anyone saying they can only win with boosting, is nothing more of an excuse. At worst, you can prove yourself to be a true contender without boosting and if you truely are a good player you will get noticed (this is how I got noticed). From here you will start being placed in stronger alliances where a few guys will boost and it may help carry your game. The era I got noticed was an F3 era two summers ago. I placed, got conquered, and then went to conquer the whole alliance with the one player who conquered me. I started climbing up in ranks and the rank 1 alliance was one player short so asked if I would be happy to play with them. While we didn't win, I managed to create friends in the alliance that allowed me to start competing for the win on BD.

Thing is this can happen only once twice or maximum thrice if ur luck is with u. Show me u winning (without boosting) against HORD, POB, ROLF in Batllegalaxy against TK DOGS. The war will end before it will start. If u win Then i agree tat Kenny & u are the best of best from BD. HUH

tellerofpointedstones · **Joined:** Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:25 pm **Posts:** 2445

So long your entire team wants the win badly and can commit the time to it, even with no/minimal boosting, powerhouse alliances can be taken down too.

Dessyboy · **Posted:** Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:53 am

I'd reply to Hitmo but that's not actually my case against it, that's Malice's. But what I will reply too is all the things that I noticed while looking through the thread.

Seth wrote:

Now, I see a few who seem to think that there is some magical formula that says only free to play players end up in the #2 and #3 teams. Take it from me, this is an illusion. One fellow decided he was going to try and fight for a top 3 win recently, and was bullied out of it. Told that if he even tried to get top 3 for his team, 10 alliances would turn on him.
He quit and tried to refund every payment he made, this is how unhappy he was. This is becoming a common story, and I am sorry if you do not understand what we are trying to do here. Hopefully you will in time.

Someone being bullied out of the top ten? Alright now thats a major red flag to me. BD is supposed to be fun which someone just reminded me of. #StopTheAbuse2014.

Tiyzer wrote:

This could all be settled if battle dawn was to introduce new eras.
These era can be executed in many different ways such as;
1. A 'non' boosting era, a era where there is no boosting allowed, but the prizes you receive for winning is not as much as a normal era. for obvious reasons.. If a player is paying for reds they should always be in the position for a bigger reward that those that who are not paying.. But this still gives these players to get a taste for the game and how it works and progress in it, which can then lead to them playing outside of the 'non' boosting eras.. But you could also have a cap on how many times you can play or win the era.. lets say 2 wins and then you have out qualified that era and shouldn't be able to play anymore.. but that's just a thought..

Jeez first I'm surprised Tom didn't get on this case as he did mine when I first mentioned this. It costs a certain amount of money to run each server, and each server gets money to fund that server, non boosting would literally KILL revenue on that server and make it so BD would become unplayable. And even if it did work people would expect it more and more. And eventually that will kill BD as it is. Come on mate I'm actually enjoying this game.

aister wrote:

one doesn't need to be 2nd or 3rd to have fun in the game

Enough said.

Silentden007 wrote:

kdog921 wrote:

You tend to have the same players win era after era. They bank too many tokens and get unfair advantage over others. Top alliances keep the same players for the next era. New players, or other experienced players have no incentive to keep playing, while top players will stay. When any 1-3 alliances win era after era, you may lose experienced players who see no hope of ever being in a top alliance.

This is my problem with this entire update. And that it won't stop subs.

Each player is treated the same as one another, if you break the rules you get punished, do it again on a different world watch how fast you're no longer playing the game. It happens to every player no matter the case or what they boost or if they don't.

yadazhu wrote:

I disagree and I will actually tell you why. A lot of new players who just joined BD count on getting 2cd or 3rd to actually get blues.

A lot of new player who just joined BD might also be able to make ties to subs...yeah that will get a lot of them to keep playing

This will help 1 time winners stay winners, the game will have even more of the same people winning. Doesn't give anyone a chance of winning unless they boost reds which not everyone can afford.

Wanna know how those one time winners win? They were active, they tried, and they had fun. And to be honest you dont have to boost reds, or blues to win at all. Be active, have fun and try hard.

Plus if you do the apply the token thing right now its not fair for the players who are trying very hard to get 2cd or 3rd in current eras. If you add the token thing, it should for all new eras.

Trying hard? Are you telling me the alliance that got 2nd last m2 tried very hard to get second? GNK, A, and many more tried to usurp them from their thrones, guess what happened people didnt like it so they stopped us. Yeah you people try very hard(end sarcasm...sorry if you think this is me being rude but its true black or white no matter the color

This new token rule also makes the game way less competitive. Yes, it gives people a desire to come in first, but doesn't give people a desire to get 2cd or 3rd. Pretty much you are telling all alliances to just quit except for the ones who can get first.

Wanna know something funny? I had a friend who didn't have and reds or blues or anything guess what, he won. He was on just about 24/7 and well sometimes he was the noobiest of noobs, other times he was an amazing player just be active

BAD BAD IDEA!!! I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of less "hardcore" players quit because of this. Makes the game even more unfair!!

Bad bad idea? It makes the game more fair if anything else.

The people who's quotes I butchered sorry.

charlesM · **Joined:** Wed May 15, 2013 11:17 am **Posts:** 9

From my point of view...as not being not much skilled player like Milan nd Korupt bt yet medium skilled....I hate this suggestion.....
Bt seeing from an Admin;s Point of View...this is Truly what BD wants-No BattleHugs......
I will have no problem with this suggestion bt only if u train Newbs with much advanced tactic..See like this
Say u got ur 100 sqauds trapped on an OP of urs having 30 control ticks..nd the Enemy is having its 200 squads attacking at 3 ticks..then u relocate ur colony to that op nd keep ur shield recharged for 12 ticks..that way u can get reinforcements nd kill the enemy without u taking much damage
Can a newb think abt this??Basically the answer the would a be a Sure "NO".Because they arent trained for it...I suggest AANC teach this type of tactics to all the players that apply there.

Now some may say that AANC mentors are doing that exactly.But is it?

Nope..i dont think so..I applied a few months agp/Days(don't rememebr)nd i wanted to learn the Adavnced tactics.i had specified it in my post also.But Lol...i was taught(i agree with it) bt not the thing i wanted to learn....In many posts i have seen More skilled Pro's mentioning we have many tactics.
If they have then why not they pass this to some others?so that others can be also as skilled as them nd know how to kill RED BOOSTERS.....

So basically in short my whole point of saying is-DO this SUggestion bt atleast teach the newbs advanced tactics.

Another point-(Just a thought of mine)-Now as Blues cannot be awarded to second placed allainces or third ones.So people will now have to be 24/7 active(Something that most cannot afford due to their working schedule or school) nd Coordination of which the first is harder for Many....

Nd this post was not made to humiliate anyone...so plz SoRRy if anyone is humiliated by this.

Posted in my other account by mistake xD..

Andy · **Posted:** Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:44 am

charlesM wrote:

Now some may say that AANC mentors are doing that exactly.But is it?

A lot of this is hard to teach. It's all very situational and unless the situation occurs, can sometimes be forgotten about or very hard to explain.

Advaned gameplay isn't something that should be tought so much (however if someone was to ask, as a mentor I would happily help out with what I could). It comes down to experience with the game. As a new player that has just gone through a mentor program, or a new player who has grown a large understanding to the game, the best thing to do for them is to create a team that seeks out an era where they can declare wars on multiple alliances. It doesn't matter if they win, but it will throw them in to these certain situations where they will have to think about what their next move may be. Even then, if players did this and then had to ask someone for advice on a plan of action, a mentor would be able to give much better advice as they could understand the situation perfectly.

Just like learning how to swim is useless unless you jump in to the swimming pool, being tought advanced gameplay is somewhat useless unless you throw yourself in to wars

thedunya · **Joined:** Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:39 pm **Posts:** 2

Excellent. there should be no blues for 2nd and 3rd.

charlesM · **Joined:** Wed May 15, 2013 11:17 am **Posts:** 9

Andy wrote:

charlesM wrote:

Now some may say that AANC mentors are doing that exactly.But is it?

A lot of this is hard to teach. It's all very situational and unless the situation occurs, can sometimes be forgotten about or very hard to explain.

Advaned gameplay isn't something that should be tought so much (however if someone was to ask, as a mentor I would happily help out with what I could). It comes down to experience with the game. As a new player that has just gone through a mentor program, or a new player who has grown a large understanding to the game, the best thing to do for them is to create a team that seeks out an era where they can declare wars on multiple alliances. It doesn't matter if they win, but it will throw them in to these certain situations where they will have to think about what their next move may be. Even then, if players did this and then had to ask someone for advice on a plan of action, a mentor would be able to give much better advice as they could understand the situation perfectly.

Just like learning how to swim is useless unless you jump in to the swimming pool, being tought advanced gameplay is somewhat useless unless you throw yourself in to wars

Exact Answer was given to me by Korupt.Now if 2 people's answer's are same..then they cant be wrong.... :lol:

purechaos95 · **Joined:** Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:53 am **Posts:** 1

I think that it would be better to keep the 2nd and 3rd token rewards BUT if the 2nd or 3rd ranked alliance is a sub of the rank 1 then token reward moves down to the next rank like say rank 3 alliance is sub of rank 1 then the token reward for 3rd goes to 4th

aister · **Posted:** Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:11 pm

purechaos95 wrote:

I think that it would be better to keep the 2nd and 3rd token rewards BUT if the 2nd or 3rd ranked alliance is a sub of the rank 1 then token reward moves down to the next rank like say rank 3 alliance is sub of rank 1 then the token reward for 3rd goes to 4th

we can't really determine if the 2nd or 3rd rank is the sub or not. Wat if they are just allied to each other, or was a sub but then changed their name at last minutes?

No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance!