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GreenDayIsBack1 · **Posted:** Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:50 pm

poor vs rich i like

wait im poor D: wait i still boost and don't cry about it.
This is still a free game, they are just looking for a way to make this game harder for you. Taking out the blues for 2nd and 3rd, will have less battle hugs.. gosh u battle huggers ..>.> SUCK A FAT ONE

dareggaemon1 · **Joined:** Mon May 20, 2013 6:02 pm **Posts:** 1

I agree. I've seen people bring 3 alliances to one world from tick 1. how is that cool to have 3 vs 1 so early in the game. at least this way. the competition and tactics will be brought back into the game instead of it being about how many active players you can bring into the game for some easy tokens.

aashirwad · **Joined:** Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:21 am **Posts:** 4

I disagree. All cant be no 1.

Dessyboy · **Posted:** Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:04 am

dareggaemon1 wrote:

I agree. I've seen people bring 3 alliances to one world from tick 1. how is that cool to have 3 vs 1 so early in the game.

The whole point of this game is diplomacy and tactics. Who should settle for 2nd and 3rd. The whole point of it being a "Championship" era is so people can prove whose the best. Sense I've been playing BD, I've only seen one world where alliances banded together against the normal "ruler" of the world.

dareggaemon1 wrote:

the competition and tactics will be brought back into the game instead of it being about how many active players you can bring into the game for some easy tokens.

Can you possibly explain this a little more.

aashirwad wrote:

I disagree.uote All cant be no 1.

It should be be like that, I don't know why everyone is disagreeing with this. I feel that BD has to change. Some drastic vote or rule or something should be implemented in order to control subs and battlehugging. I know I'll get a lot of hate for saying that but it must.

Dessyboy · **Posted:** Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:07 am

TOOLAD wrote:

maybe do something on the lines of what kong does or use to do

have rank 1 alliance get "x" amount of tokens and then do everyone in the top 20 or so get a low amount but still amount of tokens

cuz u dont have to boost at all to get top 20 and in reality dont need to boost to win,
that way, u dont have to boost and can still get some sort of token amount for top 20 finish or whatever

then ahve the rank 1 aliance get a larger sum and only alliance to recieve any.

Kong doesn't do that anymore, now its only #1 alliance gets token, no prize for 2nd and 3rd.

RunnerChase · **Posted:** Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:21 am

just out of curiousity , is reseting everything back to the way it was at BD's most active high point on the table ?

Ehsas · **Posted:** Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:39 am

Great addition, my thanks to the staff for bringing this change, this should greatly lower the number of subs used by certain teams.

As for people saying this will kill diplomacy, it won't. alliances can simply band against the rank 1, kill them then fight each other for 1st. more wars, longer eras, this is how bd should be.

Mike · **Posted:** Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:40 am

Silentden007 wrote:

I've seen Korupt's arguments, and basically, not everybody is as pro as you are at this game. Your reasoning might work for players like you, but players like you are 1 in a million. Good luck playing a MMO with only a handfull of players. Only the "hardcore" players will actually benefit from this update. And this is the minority of all BD players.

You are trying to stop battlehugs, all you are doing is stopping battledawn.com, turning it into Kong.
People who will help will help regardless. Especially the top alliances, since they are close enough friends. For example, let me win this era, you get next era. Your update is now made pointless (except for the negative effects)

So you are saying I am just an unstoppable player and since I am an "unstoppable player" you just shouldn't bother with trying to improve or learn? Since we are saying I'm a one in a million player let me be the first to tell you that you are dead wrong in multiple ways. The first way being that many players like me exist and I consider a large group of them very close friends. Second way you are wrong is that I did not start bd as a great player, I was a newb and a very bad one, looking back on my first eras just... well let's say I don't want to look back at them. The difference however is that I constantly searched for information, talked with players, picked the brains of strong players, and ultimately took that knowledge and pieced together a method that fit the kind of player I am. Some people have natural talent in things but I must admit I don't think any person on this planet can say they were gifted with a natural talent to do well in bd. It has all come from dedication, hard work, and being willing to learn (that's really the key one here). I can't tell you the number of people I've met wanting me to "teach them to be a pro" and I'd be happy to teach anyone the knowledge I have gathered in my time here. The problem however comes when encountering people that think they know what they are doing which this to is alright but when someone becomes combative and argumentative with every little thing you say it becomes a rather unteachable situation.

Now for the second part of what you said, I'm unsure what you mean by turning .com into kong but I am almost certain it does not really have anything to do with this discussion. Now for your comment about those who help will help regardless, that is most likely true to an extent. That extent however will be alliance's that place on an era with a sub or subs already established, those empires as we like to call them. What this has the ability to change however is the helping of unrelated alliance's. Meaning those alliance's that place on a world completely unrelated to the main or the rank 1 alliance. Yes they may have entered terms with them but now the rank 1 has nothing to bargain with no power to loom over them in the form of tokens. That really is what happens now, the rank 2 has the chance of tokens and the rank 1 knows they can control them through those tokens. Now with said tokens removed what does rank 2 or 3 have to lose? Absolutely nothing but they have everything to gain, now that is a situation that can truly spark desperate, unpredictable, and epic wars.

simmen · **Posted:** Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:54 am

Silentden007 wrote:

Great update! No really, AWESOME! Totally NOT increasing the gap between boosters and nonboosters!

Let's say I have 5k blues. I play competitively, try and win. I get edged out by a red boosting alliance and dont get #1. It was extremely close, and we ended up #2. BUT, I used up all my blues now. The redboosters get ALL the blue tokens this era. Meaningless to them because they propably boost a very large amount of reds, but it means the end of competitive play most likely for the nonboosters. Sure, a select few could still end up winning the era even with nonboosting, but lets look at the MAJORITY of our small community.

If you get beat by the rank 1 alliance, how will you then be rank 2 without units, and they have taken your crystals and relics? I do see some flawed logic here.

How many do you think will stick around after losing all their blues? You are trying to incite competition. Might work for the first 2-3 eras where people still have their tokens. But what happens when those tokens dry up? Gone will be the newer players, gone will be a majority of the nonboosters. Another brilliantly thought out update!

Please tell me how this will effect new players? How many of them usually get in a top 3 alliance? These days, subs aren't there to let in new players and help them, they are mercaneries, pro players paid with blue tokens for a top rank

Historically, monopolising something has always ended competition. Its basic capitalism. So let's give the people who propably do not need blues, monopoly over blues. The ones who win, will propably keep winning now. Era's will be more "predetermined" than ever

I'm sorry, but how are we monopolicing it?

Yes, my point has propably been brought up before in this thread, I've read through quite a few posts. But I simply want to repeat all of that to make it OBVIOUS how bad of a update this truly is. By the time the admins realize that as well, it might actually be too late. Old time nonboosters might quit, newer players might quit (let's say i join BD today. As if im ever gonna instantly win a era. Why stick around when there is no chance of you winning any time soon, and not even a reward for your efforts?)

I don't know.. why are the players who come from the OC still around?.. possibly because it's a game, you're supposed to play it because it's fun

I've seen Korupt's arguments, and basically, not everybody is as pro as you are at this game. Your reasoning might work for players like you, but players like you are 1 in a million. Good luck playing a MMO with only a handfull of players. Only the "hardcore" players will actually benefit from this update. And this is the minority of all BD players.

Then I guess it's time for people to step up and rise to the occsaion. We attract playertypes based on how the game is, so if this will benefit better players, I do hope you're right, and that we attract good players

You are trying to stop battlehugs, all you are doing is stopping battledawn.com, turning it into Kong.
People who will help will help regardless. Especially the top alliances, since they are close enough friends. For example, let me win this era, you get next era. Your update is now made pointless (except for the negative effects)

Those friend benefits have been built trough this battlehugs system, and it will take time to break down, but it will happen

aister · **Posted:** Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:13 am

one doesn't need to be 2nd or 3rd to have fun in the game

No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance!