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Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance! Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:40 pm |
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Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:46 pm Posts: 213 Location: The news room crying Gender: male
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maybe do something on the lines of what kong does or use to do  have rank 1 alliance get "x" amount of tokens and then do everyone in the top 20 or so get a low amount but still amount of tokens  cuz u dont have to boost at all to get top 20 and in reality dont need to boost to win, that way, u dont have to boost and can still get some sort of token amount for top 20 finish or whatever  then ahve the rank 1 aliance get a larger sum and only alliance to recieve any. i also like the idea about relics holders getting tokens. people would fight for relics but with me only being back for like 3 eras so far, ive seen more "batte hugs" then in my years of playing before my break
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yadazhu
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Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance! Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:46 pm |
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Joined: Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:49 pm Posts: 2
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I disagree and I will actually tell you why. A lot of new players who just joined BD count on getting 2cd or 3rd to actually get blues.
This will help 1 time winners stay winners, the game will have even more of the same people winning. Doesn't give anyone a chance of winning unless they boost reds which not everyone can afford.
Plus if you do the apply the token thing right now its not fair for the players who are trying very hard to get 2cd or 3rd in current eras. If you add the token thing, it should for all new eras.
This new token rule also makes the game way less competitive. Yes, it gives people a desire to come in first, but doesn't give people a desire to get 2cd or 3rd. Pretty much you are telling all alliances to just quit except for the ones who can get first.
BAD BAD IDEA!!! I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of less "hardcore" players quit because of this. Makes the game even more unfair!!
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Seth
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Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance! Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:47 pm |
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Joined: Sun May 31, 2009 10:47 pm Posts: 2416 Location: U.S.A. Gender: male
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We understand your outcry here. For me, it reminds me of parenting. In this case especially where I can see the effect that these rewards have had over years. The dynamic is quite disturbing and runs contrary to the effect we intended in installing the expanded rewards.
Believe me, we knew this would be unpopular. In that sense, it would have been better if we had never installed it in the first place. As an admin, I have watched era after era of anti climactic wins with several players complaining how eras seem "predetermined", or had felt like they were bullied out of anything relating to skill. That the top teams had a deal and there was nothing he could do but hope to keep something resembling a rank etc.
Now, I can sit here and say I know for sure what the dynamic will be after doing this. But I dont. And you dont. So you cant say any more than I can whether over the long run it will or will not work.
What I CAN say is that installing the expanded rewards has had a very bad effect on gameplay overall, and that effect has been exponential. I.E. it has gotten worse over time. This is coming up now because we are seeing the effects more and more in recent days, and I myself have witnessed countless players leave because of the reasons I have mentioned, both supporters and non supporters alike.
This goes deeper than taking from you. It goes to the heart of what BD is, and what it once stood for. I hope that some of you will come to understand this in time.
One of the things that a parting player said most recently to me that come to mind is:
"as the #4 or #5 team, you know you have absolutely no shot at taking anything from the #1 team without the help of the #3 or #2 team. And, where is the incentive? What reason do they have to do anything like that when they can sit and build and be guaranteed a reward?!"
Thank you all for your patience and understanding.
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i_am_p0y0
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Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance! Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:52 pm |
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Joined: Tue Jun 02, 2009 9:02 am Posts: 19
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FINALLY..........
now the REAL BATTLEdawn will comeback....
no more PEACEdawn..
i agree 100% thanks admin ....
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PsyOne
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Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance! Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:27 pm |
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Joined: Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:31 pm Posts: 54 Location: Somewhere in Hell but close to Heaven Gender: male
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PsyOne wrote: It's funny, people keep saying that this will kill the game and bla bla bla and do not even realize that the game was born with only one Winner. Rewards to 2nd and 3rd was implemented later and imo started killing the game with the "battlehugs", people just sit and build and do not even get the pleasure to fight for #1, they're all fine being sucks #2 or #3. Imo as well, it increased the number of "Subs" or these called "Empires". (That everyone knows it really sucks and people isnt having the balls to fight with their own hands). For those who says "It wont help who doesnt boost" or "who doesnt boost gonna lose their chance to get some blues finishing on #2 or #3 to fight for #1 later." A wise man once said: psg188 wrote: Donating is just an excuse, I've never seen a smart active player lose because he didn't donate enough.. I never boosted and I already won many rounds. Just reposting what I had said on another tab. 
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ltara
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Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance! Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:49 pm |
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Joined: Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:27 am Posts: 29
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To me diplomacy is a big part of the game, I prefer diplomacy over fighting. I have been playing BD since OC when medals/rewards were not given out. I came back since then and really enjoyed the medals/token incentives so got back into BD after being gone for over a year. Once this goes live I'm done with BD, goodbye BD
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lordjarzami
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Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance! Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:59 pm |
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Joined: Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:28 pm Posts: 43 Gender: male
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it does sound good on the face of it but i totally disagree, this will not be helpful in anyway. if u want to remove battle hugs get rid of TK players
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Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance! Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:03 pm |
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Joined: Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:59 pm Posts: 48
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Great update! No really, AWESOME! Totally NOT increasing the gap between boosters and nonboosters!
Let's say I have 5k blues. I play competitively, try and win. I get edged out by a red boosting alliance and dont get #1. It was extremely close, and we ended up #2. BUT, I used up all my blues now. The redboosters get ALL the blue tokens this era. Meaningless to them because they propably boost a very large amount of reds, but it means the end of competitive play most likely for the nonboosters. Sure, a select few could still end up winning the era even with nonboosting, but lets look at the MAJORITY of our small community.
How many do you think will stick around after losing all their blues? You are trying to incite competition. Might work for the first 2-3 eras where people still have their tokens. But what happens when those tokens dry up? Gone will be the newer players, gone will be a majority of the nonboosters. Another brilliantly thought out update!
Historically, monopolising something has always ended competition. Its basic capitalism. So let's give the people who propably do not need blues, monopoly over blues. The ones who win, will propably keep winning now. Era's will be more "predetermined" than ever
Yes, my point has propably been brought up before in this thread, I've read through quite a few posts. But I simply want to repeat all of that to make it OBVIOUS how bad of a update this truly is. By the time the admins realize that as well, it might actually be too late. Old time nonboosters might quit, newer players might quit (let's say i join BD today. As if im ever gonna instantly win a era. Why stick around when there is no chance of you winning any time soon, and not even a reward for your efforts?)
I've seen Korupt's arguments, and basically, not everybody is as pro as you are at this game. Your reasoning might work for players like you, but players like you are 1 in a million. Good luck playing a MMO with only a handfull of players. Only the "hardcore" players will actually benefit from this update. And this is the minority of all BD players.
You are trying to stop battlehugs, all you are doing is stopping battledawn.com, turning it into Kong. People who will help will help regardless. Especially the top alliances, since they are close enough friends. For example, let me win this era, you get next era. Your update is now made pointless (except for the negative effects)
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Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance! Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:18 pm |
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Joined: Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:32 pm Posts: 238
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Silentden007 wrote: Great update! No really, AWESOME! Totally NOT increasing the gap between boosters and nonboosters!
Let's say I have 5k blues. I play competitively, try and win. I get edged out by a red boosting alliance and dont get #1. It was extremely close, and we ended up #2. BUT, I used up all my blues now. The redboosters get ALL the blue tokens this era. Meaningless to them because they propably boost a very large amount of reds, but it means the end of competitive play most likely for the nonboosters. Sure, a select few could still end up winning the era even with nonboosting, but lets look at the MAJORITY of our small community.
How many do you think will stick around after losing all their blues? You are trying to incite competition. Might work for the first 2-3 eras where people still have their tokens. But what happens when those tokens dry up? Gone will be the newer players, gone will be a majority of the nonboosters. Another brilliantly thought out update!
Historically, monopolising something has always ended competition. Its basic capitalism. So let's give the people who propably do not need blues, monopoly over blues. The ones who win, will propably keep winning now. Era's will be more "predetermined" than ever
Yes, my point has propably been brought up before in this thread, I've read through quite a few posts. But I simply want to repeat all of that to make it OBVIOUS how bad of a update this truly is. By the time the admins realize that as well, it might actually be too late. Old time nonboosters might quit, newer players might quit (let's say i join BD today. As if im ever gonna instantly win a era. Why stick around when there is no chance of you winning any time soon, and not even a reward for your efforts?)
I've seen Korupt's arguments, and basically, not everybody is as pro as you are at this game. Your reasoning might work for players like you, but players like you are 1 in a million. Good luck playing a MMO with only a handfull of players. Only the "hardcore" players will actually benefit from this update. And this is the minority of all BD players.
You are trying to stop battlehugs, all you are doing is stopping battledawn.com, turning it into Kong. People who will help will help regardless. Especially the top alliances, since they are close enough friends. For example, let me win this era, you get next era. Your update is now made pointless (except for the negative effects) wreckages, UFOs, achievments, voting. all 4 of these are reliable ways of getting tokens, if you are active enough throughout an era, you will have enough tokens saved up for another era EASILY. i only boost about 600 blues on an average era, although i can boost reds, i most often choose not to, its not NEEDED its helpful, and only that.
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Silentden007
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Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance! Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:25 pm |
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Joined: Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:59 pm Posts: 48
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princekael2 wrote: wreckages, UFOs, achievments, voting. all 4 of these are reliable ways of getting tokens, if you are active enough throughout an era, you will have enough tokens saved up for another era EASILY. i only boost about 600 blues on an average era, although i can boost reds, i most often choose not to, its not NEEDED its helpful, and only that. You must have glanced over the text instead of reading it. And calling ufo's, wreckages and achievement reliable ways of getting tokens is ridiculous. UFO's and wreckages don't ALWAYS give out blues. and the amount you get from UFO's is negligible. Achievements are a 1 time thing. Or should I use a new account every other era, because medals are overrated right? Sure, reduced tokens we get from voting means I only have to vote for BD like what, 2-3 weeks before I have a decent supply of blues? I will just play a era every month or so then! That's the most common mindset BD players have (if they actually have the patience to vote everyday or even stick around). Yes, you are totally awesome and can win with only 600 blues. But if everyone could do that, there would have been no battlehugs in the first place now would there
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