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 Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance!
PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:23 pm 
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Oh I think a lot of people will leave. How you gonna fight top red boosters that are getting all the blues? It would be pointless for people that cant PAY TO WIN. Entire point of blues is so other players can boost and keep up with the people that pay.


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 Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance!
PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:23 pm 
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mostafa2324 wrote:
by doing this u r cancelling an important source of blue tokens now red boosters will always win but by decreasing the amount of blue tokens u dont cancel the blue source and u r making more compitition on 1st place

I sure hope it adds mre compitition to rank 1 :)

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 Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance!
PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:26 pm 
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[1/27/14, 1:24:44 PM] James (The Man): saw you on the forums
[1/27/14, 1:24:45 PM] James (The Man): **** idea
[1/27/14, 1:24:49 PM] Matt (Abeyant): yep
[1/27/14, 1:24:55 PM] Matt (Abeyant): if they want to do it
[1/27/14, 1:25:00 PM] James (The Man): I know OC players telling me right now there gonna quit
[1/27/14, 1:25:06 PM] Matt (Abeyant): they need to reward indie awards or awards to teams who fight well
[1/27/14, 1:25:12 PM] James (The Man): its paying to win man
[1/27/14, 1:25:18 PM] James (The Man): Blues was meant so small teams could win without reds
[1/27/14, 1:25:28 PM] James (The Man): now its just gonna favor red boosting teams even more

I know you want competition, but non-boosters NEED a CONSTANT supply of blues. Red boosters can get tokens whenever they want. If you limit the supply even further for non boosters they will have nothing.

Yes, I get that they CAN win, it is possible, but lets be honest here. It does not happen often, and now when it does happen, the team that fought off the red boosters will most likely be killed by another alliance so everyone will sit and wait for someone else to attack them first and when that doesn't happen it's just more free tokens for boosters.

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 Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance!
PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:26 pm 
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Yes, I have both played against big boosters, and have spent large amounts of money myself. Fighting against boosters I've won, playing as mass booster I've lost.. anything i possible. As I said, all can change with 1 good strategic move. Can they rebuild? Yes, but that doesn't mean they're unbeatable. I've had eras where I've killed a guy's army 3 times before I got to kill him. Of course it was a mix of incomme from cyrstals, mines, conquers and tokens, there are limits to how much can be boosted.[/quote]

The only limit is how much his pocket can afford and his willingness to continue.

I played an era where my team was "JW" and the top alliance thought they could bully us, like they did every other alliance, and we killed their ENTIRE team just for them to boost back and continue to win the era as Rank 1.

My point is simply that the gap of strength is too wide compared to free to play and pay to play.

I'm not claiming the administration of this game being greedy or incompetent or anything of the sort, I can see the good intentions behind this, but as a player who relies heavily on the blue tokens I miraculously come by, I'm very worried how this will effect the rest of the players who do NOT put money into the game.


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 Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance!
PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:28 pm 
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simmen wrote:
mostafa2324 wrote:
by doing this u r cancelling an important source of blue tokens now red boosters will always win but by decreasing the amount of blue tokens u dont cancel the blue source and u r making more compitition on 1st place

I sure hope it adds mre compitition to rank 1 :)


Only for a while, but as months pass and boosters win eras they will dry up all the blues and servers will become dead. Then what?

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 Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance!
PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:28 pm 
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What will happen when heavy red boosting teams start winning the eras? So now not only are they boosting reds, they all have the blues coming in for a era. Its gonna make where only a select teams ever win.

What you consider and what I consider heavy boosters could be very different but for the ones I consider heavy boosters the blues are irrelevant to them. If they decide they want to win by paying insane amounts and boosting from tick 1 until tick 3,000 not missing a time to boost they will. The blue tokens have absolutely no bearing on that. I still hold my opinion however that skill and activity always trumps boosting. The reason I hold that opinion? It has always worked that way for me. :lol: I've gone eras where I didn't even boost blues and still manage to be a top player that was feared on the server.

Even if your statement proves accurate that it creates a larger gap I hope the players will then turn to learning bd. If you have an advantage from boosting I'll have an advantage from my knowledge of the game. I'll play more cautiously to ensure that I don't lose units needlessly and that I never lose a ranged unit. I will out think and out maneuver you, I will look for and create spy traps, I will pick your army off piece by piece and wear you down. That is how non boosters should play and that is where the excellence of this game truly shines through.

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 Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance!
PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:29 pm 
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simmen wrote:
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I like the idea of only the rank 1 alliance getting the reward, however, I do see the point of some of the counter arguments. The biggest one being, the non-boosters will have a much more troublesome time getting any rewards. Many eras end with alliances comprised of 8-10 boosters. This means, per world, 1 or 2 (or 0) who did not boost, will likely gain anything. And though we have our fantastic fanatics who have stuck with BD for a while, most newcomers will not want to pay to play.

Malice, what you're not takign into concideration is how it will change the gameplay, you're basing it on the current gameplay. With this update, diplomacy will be much more important, and the incentive for people to group up to have a chance to beat someone is greater than it was before. And as I commented earlier, rank 2 and rank 3 (which are the ones you want to give tokens) way to often just settles for the rank and hand over relics, leaving it up to rank 4+ to fight the strongest alliance that according to you will concist of 8-10 boosters, do you htink they have more or less chance to fight back with the help of rank 2 and rank 3 allaince who have nothing to lose?



:lol: Come now simsy, didn't you read my whole argument?

I still agree with rank 1 alliance only gets rewarded. I'm saying, we should still give incentive for those who can't reach rank 1, to continue striving for something. I was suggesting that we reward individuals for their hard work throughout the round by increasing the individual player's who get rewarded to the top 25 (or whatever we feel is fair). Since the alliance reward seems to be so low, the extra incentive through the individual rank I feel will make up for this. Hell, now that I think about it, why not split it by every 5 ranks, so then there is inner strife in a single alliance to try being a higher individual ranking.
1-5: 1000 blues
6-10: 750 blues (now ranks 4-7 within 1 alliance will most likely be fighting each other to get a higher individual rank).
11-20: 500 blues
20:25: 250 blues

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 Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance!
PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:30 pm 
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i am completely disagree and this will ruin all competitions that is in this game.
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 Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance!
PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:31 pm 
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I disagree with all the token give away, because it will always be the same people getting them. There are a small minority on this game which are complete bullies (That is the only way I can think of describing them) they go out of their way to take the op's and conquer everyone. They must spend loads on boosting to build their armies so they can do this. I am not saying people should not boost, or not go out and play the game but there are some that take it to the extreme and not giving the rest of a chance.


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 Post subject: Re: No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance!
PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:32 pm 
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I agree korrupt. But if a team is boosting a good size red reserve and the 3.5k blues they get from winning a era, Skill only goes so far, and not everybody is amazing at this game. I don't think the players that trie hard should be alienated just because they aren't as good. And how the new players gonna learn? Most new teams or semi new aim for rank 3 or 2. Cause they aren't good enough for first yet. They LEARN from aiming for rank 2. Then maybe next era they can win with the BLUES they got. Your eliminating the incentive to try and learn.


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[4:34:12 PM] x CeD x: they gave me reason to quit BD (chuckle)



[4:36:40 PM] Priss: if BD impliments this new rule BD will go to *CENSORED*, and I for one wont play any more
[4:36:47 PM] Priss: this will be my last era


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