Truthfully, I'm very surprised in the CE that so many alliances were able to get so many people to join without any wish to win the CE. GML has multiple subs, VND has multiple (essentially) subs. Even SAGE came in with quite the list of allies. Is CBop the only ones who came in by themselves here? Sure, they had allies, but still.... Not ragging on anyone, just surprised that THIS many people don't care to show their worth and win it for themselves. Thought there'd be many more big alliances running for #1. From the looks of it, there are actually only a small handful. The rest are rooting for someone and looking for 2nd or 3rd. Just surprised, that's all.

I haven't heard anything about Fear though...

so in other word, we have

GML faction
VND faction
SAGE faction
Fear (unknown faction)
CBop

1. So u admit the NAP was rejected by both sides.. so NO NAP at all.. but still they backstabbed u eh



2. We aren't actually subs, but what the heck, will give you a bone.. So u also admit that the earlier NAP's made by BEER and LoVe individually whereno longer in place (u clearly stated that here), in other words cancelled to make a new NAP with the parties involved.. AS we are not subs I was involved too to do the negotiations..How many more? Did u even try to count the number of subs u guys have actually??



I included our chat convo where I clearly stated to you that our NAP with GML was NO LONGER in affect and we were discussing the NEW terms at that point



3. AND ONCE MORE, you admit there was NO NAP at the end of the negotiations, bcuz both parties did not agree (I was there in those talks too, so I know ur side did not agree either with our NAP terms, so don't be telling us we did no effort..



And there you go again telling lies on the forum about backstabbing after just admitting 3 times in a row that NO NAP was made between both parties (GML + subs vs VND + allies)
To make it clear to you: backstabbing only takes place when both sides have AGREED to a NAP and afterwards 1 of those parties decides to break that NAP

Is this what you are telling your members to manipulate them??

Using nice colors doesnt make you more right

No new deal was set because VND rejected it, so the subs (if not subs, then u wouldnt even care about our deal with VND at all). This doesnt automatically mean the old deals were cancelled. I agreed to update the current NAPs if VND agree to this NAP.



The fact that you are deciding to cancel a NAP because whatever, this is the exact point of a backstab. None in this forum is fool enough to buy your twist....

meh, I can see how the information on both sides got a little skewed and confused. GML went off of the fact that a NAP was established individually with LoVe and BEER and hoped that they would honor it, even if they were involved wit VND.

LoVe admits they backstabbed, so i guess there isn't really any confusion there... or maybe he was being sarcastic... meh

BEER obviously thought that GML realized that their individual NAP was no longer valid as VND decided to make a mass NAP which involved multiple alliances and wanted to have every alliance within their coalition on the same exact page. BEER didn't consider their original NAP to be valid anymore, GML expected them to uphold their original NAP and turned down VND's proposal.

Assumptions were made on both sides. Anywho, best of luck to both sides.

This renegotiation was made at least 4 days before the war started.. And in the chat I posted above was clearly stated that the old NAP was being rediscussed.. To make it more clear for you: this means the NAP is no longer in affect as I stated above (I even posted proof of this).. The fact that you keep telling otherwhise without even posting any proof is just your way of twisting the story like we would have backstabbed you..

Backstabbing requires a NAP that is in affect ofc, which there wasn't..



You trying to mock my post here just to keep trying to convince yourself that in some kind of weird world you are right..
Plz refrain on subject instead of mocking a way of posting or a person.. Thanks

And thanks Malicewolf

my fellow alcoholic: You failed to mention that for many days BEER tried to get in contact with GML leader about NAP negotiations.
Ignorance maybe?
We all know that territory restrictions would of been asked for if GML listened to our requests, they finally came knocking conveniently when a foothold was established in SA. Meaning that it is unlikely for any requests like this to materialize.

@ GML - I for one would not play in a team that doesn't want success, yes i have subbed but this is Champ era we all want success. Our relationship with VND is based solely on tactics. WE ARE NOT A SUB, so maybe if you wanted things differently then you should have answer PM's.

I am sorry I even forgot about that indeed, sorry my friend

Even the leader of GML (Tabula) admitted the NAP was cancelled
This is also an example of how GML does their ingame propaganda (sent to members of alliances they fight):



And when I refuse to listen to his propaganda, I get this reply lol:




They were probably looking for another sub

well after interviewing both side of the stories, I have this conclusion

LoVe, BEER and VND are basically bro alliances, sub is a little bit too much and seems they don't want to be called subs. So I decided to call faction.

since they are in the same faction, any diplomatic deals should be discussed and decided together with everyone.

Michael did a wrong move by making a deal on his own, hence when VND refused the deal, Michael had to choose from breaking the deal with GML, or ignoring the faction and keeping the deal.

In this case, Michael chose VND, which imo is a better decision. Disregard the fact that VND giving LoVe reds, but also because LoVe is basically in the territory of VND faction, and if he decided to choose GML, his alliance would the first one to die.

Not to mention, as LoVe is in VND's faction, any attack on LoVe will be reacted by other alliances in the group. just like right now with BEER and LOST joining the war, while GML's deal is just a NAP and not an MDP.

anyone know why love was changed to gml,?