ppl who believe in jesus i tell u all one thing
i know its not my business to tell u who u worship and bla bla
but go to youtube search for >>>> AHMED DEDAT<<<<

ahmed dedat can tell u all about religions etc and can prove u christians that jesus is just a man who got crucified and after that they began to worship him


he made many interviews and many christians to converted to islam and he is very Convenient and can convince u ,since they saw his session they converted.... watch from part 1 till the last if u want to know if not dont waste ur time , just posted this and not gonna post again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HazWdToZIIg

Just another guy who is advocating for his own religion. lol. Point is all these religions, God etc are man made concepts. Not real.

this is discussion and debates. not advertising. if you have a point to make, make it yourself, do not rely on others to think for you. my pet hate is people coming to the convo, dropping a youtube link which in their mind explains everything, and walk away feeling victorious and superior when in actually they demonstrate they are the definition of sheeple.

in short. think for yourself.

REAL!!!
Yeah, and nothing you say is going to change me. You guys just don't understand. There's a reason Christianity is the world's largest religion AND the world's fastest growing one you know. You guys just don't understand. View it from the point of a christian, it makes a lot more sense.


You know, why is that BS? I know it was not rlly right to mislead them but as a Christian it clearly states that it is our duty to preach the religion and get more people to join. While they probably didn't do the right thing, they meant well.

Have you people ever been to a youth group? I go to one weekly, and those guys are literally just meaning it and pouring their hearts out for God. Those guys srsly believe it.
And another thing, christian organizations spend millions each year to reach out to people who don't know about God. So this isn't some sort of joke. We really mean it.


cracks me up? Cracks Me Up? CRACKS ME UP?!I have a serious problem with you here. As I said before, the christian is SUPPOSED to warn you and try to pull you over to there side. It was God's will!! And Yes you WILL burn in hell and less you declare Jesus as your one and only savior.You guys misunderstand us too much.


Ok fine I know SOME people apparently go to church two times a year and start feeling superior to you. But at my place, those guys don't feel superior. And they're some of the nicest people I ever met. Last time I heard, Christians were the one getting bullied, not the other way around.
I am SO mad at you guys, making me cry. I don't know what you guys heard but ALL my friends are Christians and we don't yell insults at non-believers.


There is no proof, but then how did life come, or how did the universe begin? BUT NOOO don't argue the above point, because you guys are going to argue that instead of paying attention to this>There is no proof of God? No proof? No Proof?! NO PROOF?! 2.2 BILLION PEOPLE BELIEVE IN IT. THAT"S YOUR PROOF BRO. Let me repeat that again. Two. Point. Two. Billion. You got that. Billion. That"s over one quarter of the human population. Yes, One quarter. Now you might be wondering why I'm yelling out a bunch of statistics. It's because there's got be a reason behind why so many people joined. 2.2 billion people don't join a religion that based on a "made-up" book written 2000 years with a fake God. They joined for a good reason. Why? I don't know, there are different reasons. But it's probably because Christianity has good values. So here's the basic idea, have faith in Jesus, ,praise him, repent. That's basically it. You might be wondering, how are those even GOD values? Let me tell you why? God put us here, so we have to worship and praise him in return. To have faith in Jesus does NOT mean that you believe in him, it means that you accept him as your savior, to accept him as the one who washed away your sin and gave you mercy. And the last one, repent. Now a lot of people have a mistaken idea of repent. What most people think of repent is asking God for forgiveness and then you're good, you're free of that crime, FREE. NO, it means you ask for forgiveness AND you promise to never do it again. Just to clear things up.

No offence but your logic is kinda wrong,
First of all, he's not really escaping from us in the first place because he gave us the Holy Spirit which lives inside us and is one of his three forms. He doesn't want us to see him in person because he wants us to have real faith in him. Eventually you'll close enough to God that you can feel him.
Second of all, we're the ones who created violence and suffering in the first place. He envisioned a world without sin but apparently we screwed it up. But he sent his one and only son Jesus to wash away our sins and give us mercy.
Lastly, God forgives you for the things you did because he loves us all, on earth atleast. In return you have to repent and have faith in him. Do this and you'll pretty much have a ticket to heaven.

Holy I wrote a book.
Ok that's all I got to see, well not really but seeing as I already wrote this much I'll stop.

As for your proof.. I could write down the explanation here, but that would just clutter the forums.

Evolution (how did life come): http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/origsoflife_04
How did the universe begin: http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~yukimoon/BigBang/BigBang.htm

I would also like to note that some of the latest publications by the International Theological Commission actually acknowledge evolution and the big bang.



Source: http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20040723_communion-stewardship_en.html

Now, there have been thousands of occasions where there has been found proof for evolution. Not only theoritical proof, but you can actually SEE creatures evolving through the countless fossils we have uncovered so far.

To get to your proof, "There are 2.2 billion people that believe it", scientifically that is no proof at all. I can show you a lot of examples where a lot and even the majority of people believe something, yet it is untrue. For example, did you think Vikings had horned helmets? Did you think George Washington had wooden teeth? As a child, did you believe in santa? Did you know only 55% of Americans know the sun is a star? Do you realise how long people thought we only used 10% of our brains?

Really, the argument that a lot of people believe something is the most ridiculous argument ever.

My problem with Christianity and all religions in essence is their lack of proof. Yes, you believe in it. Yes, many others believe in it. However there is as much proof for God as there is for Sauron (Lord of the Rings if you don't know it). There is no proof for God, there never WILL be proof of God, and the catholic church is a messed up institution. That's correct, I said the Catholic Church is a messed up institution. I think the world would be a better place with the Catholic Church no longer in it.

im not part of the catholic church neither do I support their views, they're different from my views. They think you go to heaven no matter what which is wrong. There is no scientific proof, but that wasn't my point. People just get the feeling God is with them, but they can't "prove" it. So I guess that's why you don't believe.

Perhaps evolution is real but that's the Vatican's view which I don't trust but that wasn't my point anyway. I wasn't really trying to prove evolution wrong, more trying to make sure the world sees Christianity correctly.



Yes, but this is different, there is quite a lot of proof it's just not considered "scientific". I have heard countless stories of people who have acknowledged that they can feel God within them. And no this aint some BS to get notices, it's real, I know it.

Edit: We don't believe in Christianity. We believe in God. God>Religion.

u just proved his point CBA...

u guys care more about how big your religion are. You guys try to drag as much as people as possible, while lots of people believe and follow, it makes lots of other people feel annoyed, if not hatred towards it.

My house is visited by preechers once every week, ONCE EVERY WEEK. And omg it was so annoying that I swear I always have an urge to slam the door everytime I see them, and put a big banner in front of the door that "No preechers allowed". And u know wat, 90% of the time when I refuse them I can hear them whisper while walking away that I will go to hell.

I don't have any problem if wat u're going to say is "I believe in god, and by doing so I feel at ease whenever there is a problem that I have to face", but if you guys just keep repeating things like "BELIEVE IN GOD OR DIE IN HELL", I'm sorry but u've lost my interests, now get out of my sight before I resort to violence.

I never imagined it would be this bad tbh, my house back in Vietnam is opposite to a Christian (or Catholic, watever) church, and I have met absolutely no preechers that go knocking on my door and start forcing me to believe in god. While here in Finland, I get a visit from the almighty church ONCE EVERY WEEK. And I'm pretty sure that 90% of them I have met at least 20 times.

Nothing we say is gonna change you alright. Everything you BS people with, will ultimately change those people in our favor Please keep doing what you are doing, pretty soon people will see through the BS. Secondly, this is a discussion not about christianity, but about God. Do you know the difference?



Yes you really mean it. No I ve not been to a youth group. They are pouring their hearts out for God? Meaning they are talkin trash? Well aside from the bullying, Christian missionary groups who go on to preach Christianity are the scum of the earth. You know what these pissants do here in India? They go to a remote village and offer food, in exchange for conversion. That is forced conversion, tricking people, and its ridiculous. Back in the day, you had the crusades.Which killed poeple. KILLED!! In the name of God lol. Christianity is a religion full of hateful, violent morons. The mealy mouthed platitudes that pass for wisdom amaze me.

Burn in hell cuz we dont believe? Ill tell you what. Jesus is a pissant who manipulated people. Lets see if I burn in hell for that shall we? Dont piss me off mouthing off your ridiculous religious slogans, if you cant debate.The problem really is, Christianity is unforgiving. There is no compassion, no tolerance. I feel dirty when I associate myself with bible thumpers, believers who represent this fake religion based on hearsay. Thats what it is. Christianity is basically at the core, HEARSAY. Yes I took a word or two out of Pat condell, but heck he is better than me at articulating stuff. pfffft.



If you would get your head out of your ass, youd know that you just insulted non believers. Telling them that they dont have a clue and that they will burn in hell. Yeah right.



How did life begin? Evolution, big bang theory etc., Read up am not gonna explain again.

As for your silly statistic, lemme rephrase what you said. 2.2 billion people believe in something. So am gonna be part of the sheeple and not ask questions. They MUST be doing something right, but I dont have the brains to think for myself, so imma just follow. And if you want me to counter statistic with statistic, about 1 billion are hindu. About 1.3 billion in china are not christians. 1.5 billion are muslims. Clearly, if you add up everything, you will see that even while bein part of the sheeple, you are in the wrong herd



Here is a basic idea for ya. Wake up. Get your head out of your rear. Screw jesus, and try becoming a little more broad minded and you might actually see the light that you are searching for.



Yeah me too. Like this lady, my moms friend that came to our house, put her hand on my head and started "speaking in tongues cuz the holy spirit descended on her". I had to get rude and ask her to stop. Was quite embarrassing. LOL.

Lastly save your bible class for those morons in the youth group who pour their heart out. Sorry if my post was harsh, but you struck a nerve. SHIIITTT.

still the same

first, I'm annoyed by the fact that people are using "believe in god, he's the creator of the universe", start with "have u ever wonder how the universe is created? Have you ever wonder how life is created?" then end with "god create them all". And push that fact into everybody, forcing everyone to believe in god. Which is a biggest my disappointment.

My impression about religion, and my reason why I said I have no troubles with religious people, is that I believe even though they are worshipping something not real, there are good things in religion. However, ignore those good things and using "believe in god becuz he's the creator of the whole universe" is the biggest mistake of all those preechers.

Second, as stated on the previous posts, I'm not having enough interests in actually thinking and believing in super-natural forces. And I'm not very fond of the idea of an eternal life with happy-forever promises. For me, Earth is heaven. Why should we look for happiness in the afterlife if we can find it while we're living? You guys are focusing in the wrong place.