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Post subject: Re: God: real or fake?  Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:49 pm |
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routhy12 wrote: ultimatedoom27 wrote: JadenMDL wrote: same with me.. i choose to see before i accept...
but i tend to believe before i accept...
and if there exists a God or not, doesnt make me a difference... LOL! if he exists your going to hell, and there isnt then our souls would be floating in space till eternity thats a difference were screwed both ways =)) Or if when you die you just die. No soul living after. Yeah and aister, did i say anything you should believe im not against anyone i respect the people.
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Post subject: Re: God: real or fake? Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:57 pm |
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aister wrote: ok then
given that hell and heaven and god do exist
if I believe in it, then when I die, I refuse to go to heaven, hence I have to go to hell.
if I don't believe in it, then when I die, god will put me in hell cuz "i don't believe in god".
in other words, I will go to hell whenever I believe in god or not, then why should I believe in it? Why would you not want to go to heaven?
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Post subject: Re: God: real or fake? Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:05 pm |
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this is my third time saying this Quote: For me, happiness without sadness, success without failure will only dull myself. So no, I refuse to live in heaven, even if that place do exist.
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Post subject: Re: God: real or fake? Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:11 pm |
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aister wrote: this is my third time saying this Quote: For me, happiness without sadness, success without failure will only dull myself. So no, I refuse to live in heaven, even if that place do exist.  whatever
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Post subject: Re: God: real or fake? Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:53 pm |
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as an amateur coder myself. I have been failing countless times while trying to code something. I don't fear failure, I don't fear the pain. I have to say, wat I can do right now are all thanks to those failure and pain that I've experienced in the past. Without pain and failure, human can't advance, ppl can't learn about anything and the world just got stagnant.
I don't feel like the idea of that world at all.
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Post subject: Re: God: real or fake? Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:06 pm |
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francois1996 wrote: so before attacking the bible and christianity, i just wanna ask 1 simple quest, have u ppl readen the whole bible?? all of it?
reply as fast as u can, cz im thirstty for arguing xD I dont remmeber ... so I havent.... BUt I know one thing... one poor life was taken due to bible...... Copernicus's ...... So I cant believe in such things, which can take lifes... And ofcourse I wanna say you guys, we are debating here... dont force your opinion onto others...... Thats rude as much as invading someone's privacy... you dont know what happenned in respective lives to know why they turned out what they turned out... But they know what they turned, they accept it... and people around them accept it... SO WHO ARE YOU THE QUESTION THEM AND FORCE YOUR OPINIONS>>>>>
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Post subject: Re: God: real or fake? Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:11 am |
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Quote: Why would you not want to go to heaven? Because it doesnt exist. You guys honestly dont know how to debate. You go on a pointless tangent about something, that isnt even connected. Aister, you are arguing, while agreeing to the assumption that heaven is very real. Are you nuts? You are giving away your position so easily. Heaven, Hell, God - All of them are superstitious concepts that DO NOT exist. They are a figment of man's imagination. There is no after life. There is no such thing as soul. Its really difficult to debate with you kids, because you have been indoctrinated in the church, and you keep chanting the same BS that they have for over 2000 years. Believe in god or you gonna burn in Hell. FFS. Same crap I used to hear when I was a kid. All the while failing to answer the most important question: How do you say God exists? What is your proof? In 20 pages, I havent seen ONE guy argue properly. Other than quote the *CENSORED* Bible as if THAT makes sense. Pffffft. How many times to tell you that Atheism, refutes every religion, not just Christianity, while also rejecting the principle of a higher power. And The Bible is an assorted collection of written material. Material written by Man.
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Post subject: Re: God: real or fake? Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:26 am |
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ghossfeld88 wrote: Ok if you refuse to go to heaven no one is stopping you, you can just go to Hell, but when you die and you are being judged by God you will beg to go to heaven rather than suffer an eternity in Hell you say that, but at the same time, so are the mormons, the muslims, the etc.
many religions guarantee an afterlife.
to be honest, if i live a good life, be a good person, i wont murder, nor steal, lies would be minimal and nothing overly damaging, i will try to uphold my ethic and keep to my morality.
if, if. there is a god and he is JUST then so be it, let the flying spaghetti monster judge. i donate, ive volunteered, i work, i live. if he isnt just, he isnt isnt worth worshipping. if he requires an inane arbitary belief such as symbolically accepting jesus otherwise you burn then that isnt just. that is definitely not just, it doesnt require how good you are, it requires how subservient you are. i rather not worship than willingly and actively become a slave. because that is what the system of christianity wants. if it wanted good people, it wouldnt require belief but rather mere goodness, in and of itself, would do.
oh, and.
shoo, my green D:
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Post subject: Re: God: real or fake? Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:17 am |
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mfreak, I just want to state the point that I don't really care that god, hell or heaven is real or not. I don't go to the fact that heaven is real or not. As I said, if it's real, I don't want to go there. If it's not, then good, I don't care.
More than anything, I believe a balanced world of good and evil, suffering and happiness, is the best place to live. Not some place that promise everyone for eternal happiness.
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Post subject: Re: God: real or fake? Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:26 am |
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aister wrote: mfreak, I just want to state the point that I don't really care that god, hell or heaven is real or not. I don't go to the fact that heaven is real or not. As I said, if it's real, I don't want to go there. If it's not, then good, I don't care.
More than anything, I believe a balanced world of good and evil, suffering and happiness, is the best place to live. Not some place that promise everyone for eternal happiness. oh its like i m witnessing the greek gods come to life and living with humans... nonsense if one was correct other is bound to be... if other isnt correct then none are...... Its a good passtime infact... And please dont change the meaning of heaven... Its like I cant say I feel like I m in heaven whenever I am happy... change whatever you called heaven to an Utopian Place... To me heaven means well, a place in my world that gives me satisfaction... like when I enjoy... Heaven and Hell is nothing but similies ... for the best and worst situation(...) you have experienced.... its what I think... If you think Heaven is utopia and Hell is  (this)...  but well I think what I say makes sense and everyone above me arguing against God or believe existance of it doesnt make a difference will agree with me....
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