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 Post subject: Re: bored of being conquered :(
PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:59 pm 
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No alliance leader will kick out a strong player just to accept a newb... no matter what. IMHO, at least.

I know many that would, if the newb is active and willing to learn. Well, not exactly kick out a strong player. Perhaps an inactive one or one that is not trying as hard as he could.
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But most of them are the "advanced warfare" tuts; only few of them being "how to stay unconquered". I've read most of them, but virtually all assume one to be conquered first, and then focus on how to rebel/liberate/relocate yourself. :?

Perhaps these guides (towards the bottom of the page) are what you're looking for
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And last thing, how to find a sub?

Subs are basically shadows of top alliances. You could always approach a top alliance and ask if they would like a sub, or you could ask them if they have a sub you could join
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And what does spam units, spam outposts mean?

When you spam, you are usually sending out many many squads that only consist of one unit to capture many outposts at once. Contrary to what some may think, spamming is a huge strategy which has many uses. It would take a lot to explain - maybe if you want to know more I'll explain more

Here's a nice example of spamming, the guy launched 1 soldier at every single outpost he saw:
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 Post subject: Re: bored of being conquered :(
PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:24 pm 
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And all players conquered it can be seen as the ultimate protection (unless you get a crystal) so if you do get conquered and don't have a crystal no one is going to bother you so this is a time to build structures and i also do recommend visiting the mentors as they are all very good players who have had to overcome these same challenges or they wouldn't have been here

let me tell you about my first era:

I joined mid era and got conquered when protection expired then i just kept spamming my conqueres alliances ops until he got annoyed and he threatened to nuke me 500 times so i replied ? the reply he gave me was quite amusing anyway back to the point I then started e4 i think and got into the 20th alliance I was then conquered and so were most of my alliance but i built a big army 500 ish soldiers then found myself at rank 150 and thought that i was strong enough to rebel so i did and it was a success I then went on to conquers a few other players eventually getting to rank 84 however at this point most of my alliance had left leaving 4 members in 30-35 so i decided to message the 8th alliance and i got an invite so then me and my new alliance finished 5th

My morale of this is if you are persistant and you never give up then you succed no matter how bleak it is there is always light at the end of the tunnel and ive been playing for a year and half and i already have finished some very good ranks and what new players have to rememver is all those players on the top page started with a colony in protection like you

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 Post subject: Re: bored of being conquered :(
PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:31 pm 
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well tbh, if u can't find urself a good alliance in the first 100 ticks then u're quite in a bad state.

Subs are, well, sub alliances of the big ones. Can be found easily through the community list. Just find some alliances with similar tags (ABC => 4BC or something like that).

And yes, if u don't boost red and are not in a good team with some red boosters, prepare to be attacked at least twice: the first time is when u broke out of protection, and the second time is when u have ur first crystal. U can't beat the boosters at the beginning of the era. More to the end though, boosting won't help u as much as the beginning.

And to answer ur question about spam:

spam units are squads with only 1 armor infantry, used in various situations: take down shields, enemies' squads details (through battle reports), conquer colonies or OPs with no defenders, or even used to hold the camp, which is a very good defensive tactic. It's very cost effective since u can have lots of spam ships with a small number of troops => more OPs and colonies conquered. And in case they lose, the loss is minimized.

spam OPs is an act of creating lots of OPs, mostly to help nearby alliances by having them take and raze it. This is bannable so make sure u don't do this.

spam OPs can be referred to use spam units to attack OPs though.

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 Post subject: Re: bored of being conquered :(
PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:35 pm 
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Thanks guys for the broad input! I'm overwhelmed with the info, so this will be quite a lengthy post. :P

1783298 wrote:
Perhaps these guides (towards the bottom of the page) are what you're looking for

Thanks, I've browsed through them. Not that I remembered everything though. But also, some things are not written as clear as they should be, so there are some errors that can confuse, and ambiguities...

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Subs are basically shadows of top alliances. You could always approach a top alliance and ask if they would like a sub, or you could ask them if they have a sub you could join

Now I see. Well, I asked several leaders if they would like to have me in the alliance, but got no response at all. Presumably, if they have need for a (sub)ally then they will suggest it themselves... :(

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When you spam, you are usually sending out many many squads that only consist of one unit to capture many outposts at once. Contrary to what some may think, spamming is a huge strategy which has many uses. It would take a lot to explain - maybe if you want to know more I'll explain more

First, thanks for the picture! It's indeed worth 1000 words, and I think I'm getting pretty clear picture.
But I would of course appreciate, if you have time, to reveal some more mastery of this strategy... By the time you will eventually read this, my protection would finish.

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And all players conquered it can be seen as the ultimate protection (unless you get a crystal) so if you do get conquered and don't have a crystal no one is going to bother you so this is a time to build structures

Yeah, that's somewhat true. And the full explanation of why conquered colonies can't be re-conquered (not liberated) is a topic that deserves its own thread, I think. And I saw a counterexample in my "neighborhood".

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let me tell you about my first era:

Thanks for sharing the story, it is really insightful for a newbie. Any bit of info can help!

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My morale of this is if you are persistant and you never give up then you succed no matter how bleak it is there is always light at the end of the tunnel and ive been playing for a year and half and i already have finished some very good ranks and what new players have to rememver is all those players on the top page started with a colony in protection like you

Yeah, but when you step at the base of the mountain you want to climb on, it inevitably looks as a "mission impossible". With time, this changes but at first one is overwhelmed. And I like the remark about best players being in a protection... The only problem is - that was long time ago, they grew up and i was "just born". So they can/will be bullies for me.

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(is anyone still awake or have i sent you to sleep :D )

LOL, I'm awake, just busy building, scanning, replying & multi-quoting. BTW: It's hard to send me to a sleep that way. :mrgreen:

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well tbh, if u can't find urself a good alliance in the first 100 ticks then u're quite in a bad state.

Well, my 100 ticks has passed. Are you refering to 100 ticks after joining the game, or after exiting the protection. Because if the first is the case then I will have very slim chances and not much fun... :|

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And yes, if u don't boost red and are not in a good team with some red boosters, prepare to be attacked at least twice

Never saw a red booster so far. Maybe they keep it private.
And yes, I figured out that I will be a target at least twice...

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U can't beat the boosters at the beginning of the era. More to the end though, boosting won't help u as much as the beginning.

Interesting. But by the end, I would be someone's private property. How many ticks is a typical era? :?:

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And to answer ur question about spam:

Though I now have several explanations, it's always good to have yet another one. A newb can never get too much info, and every master player has slightly different point of view. So thanks for your "definition". It should be in a Wiki page, under the section "New Player Guides".

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spam OPs is an act of creating lots of OPs, mostly to help nearby alliances by having them take and raze it. This is bannable so make sure u don't do this.

spam OPs can be referred to use spam units to attack OPs though.

Wow, that's a big difference in definiton of a "term", and I didn't know that the first one is not allowed. It should be stated somewhere. Thanks for mentioning this, as I could do a fatal mistake. :?


Now, have I sent anyone to sleep? :mrgreen:

Thanks again people for enlightening a newb! ;)


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 Post subject: Re: bored of being conquered :(
PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:04 pm 
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i apreciate your reply and your miles better at quoting then I am but one thing you have to consider is im a conquerer myself and you have to feel for those who will be conquered its the game but what it is the weak are picked on by the strong I would say 60%-70% of new players quit saying its too hard but all those people who continue are all those great players you see today and i believe with your commitment that you will be that 30% who become great players. What i believe makes a good player is use your allies and when i say allies its not always your alliance your friendly alliances it is the guys on these forums these guides these mentors have sent many players to greatness so put your trust in these and don't be ashamed of getting a mentor

getting a mentor shows you are commited to becoming a great player

I'm not forceing anyone to get a mentor but I highly recommend it I was to well stupid to go on the forums and find help that is why it has taken me ages to master all of the concepts of the game 1 and a half years and yet there are minor things I still don't know

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 Post subject: Re: bored of being conquered :(
PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:19 pm 
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No multiquotes this time, they are tedious to write.

What can I say... Thanks for the encouraging words to keep going and not giving up. Especially when they are sincere and coming from a conqueror (and are directed towards a newb ;)).
You have put it well what conquering is about. And it's a game, and supposed to be that way, and I would probably attemp to conquer someone if I was in a position. Nevertheless, I'm quite sure trere are those kind of players that conquer mainly to show off their power, enjoying in ego trips. Well, may they enjoy.
The percentages you laid down about quitting (reasons as well) are certainly valuable thing to consider.

Also, you are suggesting me to get a mentor by essentially telling me not to make your mistake. Another important thing to consider.

I'm not embarassed or ashamed of getting a mentor, but simply like to do things myself as much as possible. And sometimes I drive myself over the edge. :lol:
But with the present situation, getting some facts and learning more and more about the game, I might soon opt to seek for a mentor. Most likely, it will be for some (or few) aspects and secrets of the game, not the whole game.
Oddly enough, but I have to find time for myself to communicate with mentor.

And yes, no doubt, Knowledge is power; this appears to be the universal truth.

For the end: you are actually mentoring me, to find a mentor. And you're quite good at it.

Once again thanks for your words.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:21 pm 
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well tbh, if u can't find urself a good alliance in the first 100 ticks then u're quite in a bad state.

Well, my 100 ticks has passed. Are you refering to 100 ticks after joining the game, or after exiting the protection. Because if the first is the case then I will have very slim chances and not much fun... :|

well wat I'm saying is 100 ticks after joining the game, although it's not 100% that if u can't find an alliance in the first 100 ticks then u're done for the era. And u should join the game in the first 50 ticks of the era. DON'T JOIN ANY ERA WITH 100+ TICKS.

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And yes, if u don't boost red and are not in a good team with some red boosters, prepare to be attacked at least twice

Never saw a red booster so far. Maybe they keep it private.
And yes, I figured out that I will be a target at least twice...

well, red boosters sometimes show themselves by making their colony or avatar golden, not all of them though.
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U can't beat the boosters at the beginning of the era. More to the end though, boosting won't help u as much as the beginning.

Interesting. But by the end, I would be someone's private property. How many ticks is a typical era? :?:

Yeah I'm saying if u're in a good alliance that is competing with the top alliances. Just spend ur first eras being conquered and learn about the game. If you don't have a mentor, the process will be quite slow though. But hope that you will find urself a good alliance (and by good here means active, a little bit experienced and... talkative is good too). Tbh I'd be in the 10th alliance and chat with my members about everything, than be in the 2nd alliance with no members want to talk to me.
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And to answer ur question about spam:

Though I now have several explanations, it's always good to have yet another one. A newb can never get too much info, and every master player has slightly different point of view. So thanks for your "definition". It should be in a Wiki page, under the section "New Player Guides".

I agree, it should be a section called "Battle Dawn Dictionary" or something that explain every terms used in Battle Dawn: sniping, farming, spamming,... as well as some most used abbreviations like tbh, imo, iirc,...
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spam OPs is an act of creating lots of OPs, mostly to help nearby alliances by having them take and raze it. This is bannable so make sure u don't do this.

spam OPs can be referred to use spam units to attack OPs though.

Wow, that's a big difference in definiton of a "term", and I didn't know that the first one is not allowed. It should be stated somewhere. Thanks for mentioning this, as I could do a fatal mistake. :?

well, can't say I didn't do it, there is a thread here called "things that make u banned in-game". Though I think it's better to be put on the wiki. Until recently I thought it was ok to constantly send all my resources to one of my member, or create OPs to help other alliances, or even send some small troops to my friend for him the get some EXP... but they all appear to be... illegal...

And I made that guy who I sent all my resource to... banned :cry:
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Well, I missed this big one. Will leave to others to figure out wwhhyy. :geek:

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well wat I'm saying is 100 ticks after joining the game, although it's not 100% that if u can't find an alliance in the first 100 ticks then u're done for the era. And u should join the game in the first 50 ticks of the era. DON'T JOIN ANY ERA WITH 100+ TICKS.

Oh, that's a big difference! I thought in the protection period. Well, I entered G4 at tick 1400+. :!: An ended up conquered, still in resource shortage haven't built half of the structures (not by number, but by cost). But I won't surrender on that world!!!

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well, red boosters sometimes show themselves by making their colony or avatar golden, not all of them though.

Yeah, finally seen one, golden frame of avatar and golden colony. And member on 1st alliance on G5...

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Yeah I'm saying if u're in a good alliance that is competing with the top alliances. Just spend ur first eras being conquered and learn about the game. If you don't have a mentor, the process will be quite slow though. But hope that you will find urself a good alliance (and by good here means active, a little bit experienced and... talkative is good too). Tbh I'd be in the 10th alliance and chat with my members about everything, than be in the 2nd alliance with no members want to talk to me.

I entered the G5 in the 5th (or 6th) tick. Fended off large cruiser attack by then 6th alliance. Conquered a colony. And then, in the lack of resources to have advanced scan, they attacked me with swarms of plasma fighters and 20 plasma damage frigates. I was prepared to take down cruisers and had wrong weapon - torpedo upgraded. All of my frigates (and one had 475 xp - was almost like a cruiser in hp/damage) went in the first round. Lost all 41 ships, took town 23 of 53, but only one frigate.
And, now I'm conquered on G5 as well. Got into alliance in the begining, but with most people being inactive, got conquered without the fleet/fight, only few of them are trying hard.
But other alliances have gates, massive fleets, tons of OPs while I still don't have necessary structures.

Short question: I found "Reinforcements" sign, spotted it accidentally. Looks like green square with red circle and crosshair. How to "plant" that?

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I agree, it should be a section called "Battle Dawn Dictionary" or something that explain every terms used in Battle Dawn: sniping, farming, spamming,... as well as some most used abbreviations like tbh, imo, iirc,...
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well, can't say I didn't do it, there is a thread here called "things that make u banned in-game". Though I think it's better to be put on the wiki. Until recently I thought it was ok to constantly send all my resources to one of my member, or create OPs to help other alliances, or even send some small troops to my friend for him the get some EXP... but they all appear to be... illegal...

And I made that guy who I sent all my resource to... banned :cry:

Those are the things I was going to (and perhaps will) propose. People should know these things, as they can get you banned but are not that obvious. Here on forums, rules are different than in-game rules, so such things should be somewhere pinned, under the heavy light for all to see them.
Another short question: what is "sniping"?

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I just woke up and now u tell me to sleep?

Why not? Probably you logged off, took 30 mins nap, woke up and logged back to conquer that "thorn in the eye" colony. :mrgreen:
Just joking. Quite different TZs, obviously. But I guess you are then east from me, if you haven't trade the day for the night. 8-)

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Short question: I found "Reinforcements" sign, spotted it accidentally. Looks like green square with red circle and crosshair. How to "plant" that?

it's an alliance order, from wat I've learned it can be made by every members and can only be deleted by alliance leader and the ministers. I don't know if it's changed though.

to make that go to Order menu (the one u used to recruit troops) > Alliance > Create, select the coordinate (place), enter subject and order details, then create.
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Another short question: what is "sniping"?

Sniping is an act of attacking something, which are already attacked, intentionally or accidentally, in hope of "stealing" it.

So that means:
I attack a colony, 4 ticks ETA. U send squads to attack it, 3 ticks ETA and steal my conquer.

Or I attack at 3 ticks ETA. U send more squads to attack also in 3 ticks ETA. Ur squads killed mine, and u steal my conquer.
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Sniping is very frustrated and is an unacceptable act inside the alliance and the sub. Outside though, depends on both sides' leaders, they can let it slide or wage war with u :?

And btw, the dictionary and the rules are updated on Wiki. Plz make sure to read it ;)

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aister wrote:
to make that go to Order menu (the one u used to recruit troops) > Alliance > Create, select the coordinate (place), enter subject and order details, then create.

Thanks, now I see various kinds of simbols can be put, and low/medium/high importance to it. But I noticed it accidentaly, after logging in while the map was zooming (I briefly saw strange red symbol).
So now I know that Orders -> Alliance should be checked more frequently... :oops:

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So that means:
I attack a colony, 4 ticks ETA. U send squads to attack it, 3 ticks ETA and steal my conquer.

Or I attack at 3 ticks ETA. U send more squads to attack also in 3 ticks ETA. Ur squads killed mine, and u steal my conquer.
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Sniping is very frustrated and is an unacceptable act inside the alliance and the sub. Outside though, depends on both sides' leaders, they can let it slide or wage war with u :?

I would never do that to an allied member, except unintentionally.
But of course I see this happening all the time between alliances. ;)

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And btw, the dictionary and the rules are updated on Wiki. Plz make sure to read it ;)

I've already seen it. Thank you. 8-)


Ehm, again a question: do I get any resources back after disbanding a unit? It may easily happen to recruit a wrong unit type. Are then all resources lost?

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