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 Post subject: Re: tanks...? TANKS!!! Tanks?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:45 pm 
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Right it's better (and easier) to build one unit with many weapons than to try to use all the chassis at one time.

But if you can use all 3 chassis while keeping them semi-seperate. You could potentially have the most unstoppable, and unpredictable army around.

I'd be hard to use, and tough to protect from getting trapped and destroyed with virtually no enemy losses. But when it came to attacking... You could be beastly..... IF you last that long, and can build it large enough.

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 Post subject: Re: tanks...? TANKS!!! Tanks?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 1:22 am 
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tanks is my fav unit because it ends up killing crushing and explosive weapons 1st which ends up usually making them only take 2 rounds of real dmg. after than they barely kill any of your units cause the dmg is so much less. second in battles against inf /veh they end up losing units when lots of the time mechs just lose health. sure this makes them not able to fight for a little while but this ends up saving u units. 3rd if u dnt have any anti mech weapons u get pilled through with no loses. but ive noticed that alot more people are building explosive weapons more than anything now. so i may be changing my unit type soon.

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 Post subject: Re: tanks...? TANKS!!! Tanks?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 5:24 am 
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Every kind of chassies is equally important and have their own usuage.. All that matter is what your opponent have..
For me.. best thing to use is.. Inf for vechiles.. Vechiles against Tanks and Tanks against infantries..
However, one opponent may have more than one chassies.. So here comes something tricky.. you will have to choose which units among your fleet will actually fight..
Remember.. we are not talking about noob conquers.. we are talking about fights within top alliances..

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 Post subject: Re: tanks...? TANKS!!! Tanks?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 5:59 am 
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Yeah Each chassis has its own advantage:

Infantry is better against vehicles.

Vehicles are better against tanks.

And Tanks are effective against infantry.

The reason you cant fit more than 10 units per squad when it comes to tanks, is because it doesnt depend on the number of units, but the number of workers. 10 Tanks = 15 vehicles = 30 infantry = 30 workers.

Apart from this, Infantry is practically best because you easily outnumber your opponents. You recover faster when spied or nuked. And you build much faster. On the other hand Tanks accumulate XP faster. BUT, Tanks require a lot more XP points to reach the next level than Vehicles and Vehicles need a lot more than Infantry to get a range, damage or HP upgrade.

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 Post subject: Re: tanks...? TANKS!!! Tanks?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:46 pm 
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mfreak wrote:
Yeah Each chassis has its own advantage:

Infantry is better against vehicles.

Vehicles are better against tanks.

And Tanks are effective against infantry.

The reason you cant fit more than 10 units per squad when it comes to tanks, is because it doesnt depend on the number of units, but the number of workers. 10 Tanks = 15 vehicles = 30 infantry = 30 workers.

Apart from this, Infantry is practically best because you easily outnumber your opponents. You recover faster when spied or nuked. And you build much faster. On the other hand Tanks accumulate XP faster. BUT, Tanks require a lot more XP points to reach the next level than Vehicles and Vehicles need a lot more than Infantry to get a range, damage or HP upgrade.


Tanks aren't actually anymore effective against infantry than any other chassis.

Their "type advantage" comes from 2 areas:

#1 they live longer and thus can do more damage than other chassis.
*if you lose 2 infantry guys and have one left he only does the damage of 1 infantry guy. However if a tank absorbs the same amount of damage it still does full damage to the opponent then next turn in battle.

#2 Explosive weapons are the first to be hit and destroyed. Meaning that even in multi-chassis attacks. Tanks only take damage the first round (or two). Then ALL explosive weapons are destroyed and the tanks take minimal damage. Further extending their survival. AND making it so that tanks are almost never hit by Explosive Damage units. Making them take even less damage and living even longer.

(3) The extended life from one and two means tanks have a greater chance of accumulating exp. and leveling up and becoming even stronger.


Which is why tanks have no advantage over a specific chassis like the others it would literally make them unstoppable. The only chance any one would have against them would literally have to be 85 -90 % Vehicle/Explosive. Anything else would be utterly decimated, and the disparity would only grow the longer the battle went on.

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 Post subject: Re: tanks...? TANKS!!! Tanks?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:08 am 
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Infantry has a big advantage that was not quite mentioned yet:

If you are fighting other top alliances, they will adapt to your alliances chassis. That is, if you are tank, their players who are wiped out will start rebuilding vehicles. If you go vehicles, they rebuild infantry. So for either tanks or vehicles, your enemies will eventually have an army that gets +25% bonus damage against you (obviously they will also go full explosive/beam in the rebuild). The only way to prevent that is to build infantry.

As for mixed armies: They might be nice while clobbering noobs, but in any serious war, you'll get wiped out quickly. Don't do it.

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 Post subject: Re: tanks...? TANKS!!! Tanks?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:10 pm 
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Xeeron wrote:
Infantry has a big advantage that was not quite mentioned yet:

If you are fighting other top alliances, they will adapt to your alliances chassis. That is, if you are tank, their players who are wiped out will start rebuilding vehicles. If you go vehicles, they rebuild infantry. So for either tanks or vehicles, your enemies will eventually have an army that gets +25% bonus damage against you (obviously they will also go full explosive/beam in the rebuild). The only way to prevent that is to build infantry.

As for mixed armies: They might be nice while clobbering noobs, but in any serious war, you'll get wiped out quickly. Don't do it.

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If you can juggle it mixed armies are actually the most effective.

I'm not talking about in a single battle. They'd get PWNed for sure. What I''m talking about is the adjustments all top alliances make. Say, I kill you with my Mechs. I absolutely scrap your entire army. Like you said before anyone with half a brain is going to build Vehicles. And when you come after me with them guess who you run into? Exactly my infantry brigade. 7 or 8 squads that make short work of the Vehicles you made. While my Mech force is doing what? Smacking someone else down.

No matter what you pick rock paper or scissors... I've got the type advantage. And if I come against an alliance that builds all of one thing, I have a few squads that can kill a medium sized attack with minimal losses. And I just build more of that to bolster my army capabilities. The others? They just are used to take minor OP's or to keep you from attacking certain places since i'll have 7+ squads there. Or I use them as castle defence, or to keep the conquers who'll be rebelling in check.

OR worst case... They go into the battle too. And your guys shoot at them first while my important guys go to town on what you have.

A lot goes on in a full-on war, there's always a use for the guys who won't be effective against your main enemies. :ugeek:

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 Post subject: Re: tanks...? TANKS!!! Tanks?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 3:10 pm 
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In any serious war, you'll have to fight big 100+ squad battles. Those where you need to field your full army, without being able to choose the "correct" chassis. If such a big battle happens, and your side has mixxed chassis, while the other has only one chassis, you'll lose big time.

What you describe, taking only a part of your army to wipe out someone is not a serious war, it is putting down noobs. In any serious war, only part of your army will never be enough for an attack.

For reference, *this* is the kind of battle that happens in a serious war, any mixed army in such a battle will not stand a chance.

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Note how both top allies have almost complete INF armies. After the battle, the losing side switched to building tanks, but they switched completely, they did not suddenly mix.

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 Post subject: Re: tanks...? TANKS!!! Tanks?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 12:43 am 
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Xeeron wrote:
In any serious war, you'll have to fight big 100+ squad battles. Those where you need to field your full army, without being able to choose the "correct" chassis. If such a big battle happens, and your side has mixxed chassis, while the other has only one chassis, you'll lose big time.

What you describe, taking only a part of your army to wipe out someone is not a serious war, it is putting down noobs. In any serious war, only part of your army will never be enough for an attack.

For reference, *this* is the kind of battle that happens in a serious war, any mixed army in such a battle will not stand a chance.

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Note how both top allies have almost complete INF armies. After the battle, the losing side switched to building tanks, but they switched completely, they did not suddenly mix.

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Again you must be misunderstanding. Any serious battle would avoid such a conflict to begin with. Going into an infantry battle with 2000 less units??? If that's a serious battle, I don't see how they survived in the first place. It doesn't matter what chassis they would have used, the enemy's army was more than 25% larger. They were going to lose. Regardless

No real alliance with sights set on winning an era fights a battle like this. (Unless this was the battle to win the era) Because even if they won, they'd be so weakened that a mid sized alliance could possibly take them out. I'm not trying to insult anyone, but if this kind of battle was the plan or goal all along... I'd never follow that person again because that's an example of poor planning. The goal of any battle is not simply to kill the enemy. It's to kill the enemy with the least possible amount of losses.
Step 1, check.
Step 2, no.
Even if I'm on the offense I consider that a loss.

If some of the defenders had tanks from the beginning they could have killed the army's one by one. No war is one battle. You don't send your whole alliance in and attack the other one with everything you have with your first attack. You take OP's, Teleporters, Nukes. And make your way to the enemy hive. 30 squads of tanks would've slowed them down quite a bit. and picked off anyone that was with the group. As well as defending against spread attacks. Imagine how long it takes to get to the enemy hive when you can only proceed when you've arranged for EVERYONE with units in the area to move at the same time.

Since any that go early or move late... Are dead.

When they finally got to the hive, the defending alliance would've had a lot more tanks waiting for them. And they wouldn't have had their entire force. And the defending alliance would've had a chance.

Mixed units isn't about winning a certain large battle. It's about winning the battles necessary to win the war. Be it stalling, wearing the opponent down, setting them up, or even keeping them confused. It gives you a mental edge, and that's all the advantage a great player needs. (The extra 25% damage is just a bonus)

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 Post subject: Re: tanks...? TANKS!!! Tanks?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:54 am 
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If some of the defenders had tanks from the beginning they could have killed the army's one by one.

Taking down a single army on its own is always great, but good alliances will rarely allow that to happen.

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30 squads of tanks would've slowed them down quite a bit. Imagine how long it takes to get to the enemy hive when you can only proceed when you've arranged for EVERYONE with units in the area to move at the same time.

In what I consider serious war, enough people are online to kill 30 tank squads all the time. That takes less than 3 full inf armies. No offense to you, or your enemies, but I don't think that you have really fought a real war before.

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