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mfreak · **Posted:** Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:20 am

gipsy wrote:

gaurav1 wrote:

There is very little chance TWSS members did not know something was up, but they ignored the signs and kept on going for the easy crystals Darkonus was setting up for them. Disappointing TWSS.

Thats wrong. I don't know about others but I didn't know it. Darkonus kept on conquering colonies he allready conquerd to reset their controllticks so also after he admit cheating most of us didn't believe it. (His own multies wouldn't rebel, or?)

The whole situation is pretty strange.
1. How can it be so easy to create such a big amount of multies? There must be a better email verifying or something like that.
2. Why could he do it so long? If he had not ioned 30times, he would still be in the game. I don't see Andrew doing his job well last last months. Its sounds a bit : If you want to cheat - go on Andrew's worlds. A simple mail takes him 100 ticks to reply.
3. Who else have multies? If its really so easy ....
4. Lets take a look in the future. Who all will get compensation? How can it be fair? Honestly, I can see no way to sort this all. There will be a lot of complaining and whining. I am sure that there are a lot more multies on E1. The mass jamming of 30 radars/gates and our colonies for almost 24 ticks cost also a lot of energy. Maybe also without knowlege of PS members.

This era is totally messed up.

Well I will have to agree with gipsy. Though it is incumbent on each player to play a fair game, it is also the admin's responsibility to make sure that the game is being played in a fair manner. For almost 1000 ticks, no one knew about the multi issue, until the war started. And it wasnt even the admin that found out, it was PS and NFL that suspected, and reported their findings. Now when it comes to compensation - I personally do not think NFL deserves any. Even without the ioning and such, theyd have lost. Secondly, if someone is to be compensated, it should be both PS and TWSS.

No one in TWSS knew about this until the other day when we were talking about the ions, and then Dark came clean and told us about the multis. It was passed off as a joke at first, until this thing came to light. If proper admining was done, Dark would have been banned and kicked right at the start, We wouldnt have lost 78 squads from our army, and not to mention a bunch of score. So infact the alliance that suffered most is TWSS. Keep in mind, that we dont deserve this, just because 1 person did it without anyone else's knowledge. We have members that I would bet a million dollars, that wont cheat. Even PS would agree, since a couple of them are their friends as well, having played with them before.

Shirdel · **Posted:** Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:10 am

The problem is is that there's no proof that no TWSS Member knew.

Who knows how many people knew about this before it was revealed.

Jack · **Posted:** Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:46 am

Shirdel wrote:

The problem is is that there's no proof that no TWSS Member knew.

Who knows how many people knew about this before it was revealed.

There's also no proof that they DID know, is there?

nelson419 · **Posted:** Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:57 am

elseaj wrote:

Then he said something about using his spys and Ions to save us.

Didn't work

Shirdel · **Posted:** Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:25 am

Jack wrote:

Shirdel wrote:

The problem is is that there's no proof that no TWSS Member knew.

Who knows how many people knew about this before it was revealed.

There's also no proof that they DID know, is there?

Exactly.

All this confusion can only help PS.

Oh dear...

Seth · **Posted:** Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:23 am

Wow. There are some books here in 4 pages of writing! Ive tried a couple times to go through each thread in it's entirety, but may admittedly have skipped something here & there due to ADD and going into it a bit too soon after waking. :lol:

Some parts of this thread make me cringe, some parts make me want to beat up my keyboard. I guess my instinct is to approach this situation with anger and frustration, but giving myself a cup of coffee to think it over allowed me to be more level headed I guess.

Ill try to approach my points one by one as I go. Ill also try to keep it as short as possible.

niracas wrote:
For those not on e1, props to Andrew for taking care of this(banhammer in action), and providing compensation where due. I knew it was only a matter of time, and thanks for admitting it tdrake.

Thanks Niracas. Its nice to see a level head, and someone actually showing some love for doing a thankless job. Also tdrake, honesty is honorable. Nuff Said.
aazaadx wrote:
I do not know where you get the gall to admit cheating and not be accountable by saying, "The responsibility for this mess is yours!" On top of that state that NFL would have lost the battle anyway. If that was the case why so many ions? We will never know who would have won that battle, because the fact remains that you cheated! So your premise carries not weight.

I can understand where you might have picked that faulty logic up at though. When Kane was accused of cheating. Seth removed culpability from Kane by stating it was the developers fault. This was a major disservice to the BD community.

I agree and disagree.

How players can cheat, and then blame us because this is a browser game and the appeal to cheat is just...too...much...to take! Yeah, that is pretty lame. I mean, at what point does the obese guy suing McDonald's for making him fat get a clue that self control would have made all the difference?!

Oh, believe me, I know. There is always "well everyone else is doing it!!" Well, its another case of the chicken & the egg I guess. The decision to cheat or not to cheat based on what you think you know or see select others doing isnt really legit. The scale of honor should always be balanced by self control and the desire to have and hold honor. There is no honor in cheating. Even to one self, looking upon a trophy attained by cheating, there will always be the knowledge that it was taken through dishonest means. Therefore the prize cannot be truely and honstly appreciated.

Also, making reference to what happened with Kane is uncalled for and not relevant to this conversation. Kane was accused of cheating for using a tactic that was a fault in game mechanics. It was not a bug, it was not a glitch. It was simply a loophole in the system that had existed for some time. Veteran players had known about this fault for some time and it was only coming to light at that time.

I do not appreciate being told that I did a disservice to this community for simply stating what was a FACT in that it was a fault in game mechanics
Anarchist69x wrote:
You do realize teamviewer will not show any cheating. Let's put it in perspective:

For the sake of staying on topic, admins should be more on top of cheaters. With someone high ranked like that they should be checked frequently before they abuse their cheating like what happend to NFL.

All cheaters think the same yet admins do not watch the players on their own world until they've actually been caught by the players which shouldn't even reach that point. Typically, admins are on top of it at the start of the round then it slowly goes down hill which players are starting to take advantage of.

I suppose much of what you say depends on the server and the admin. I consider myself very proactive as far as checking around my worlds for multis. I suppose over time, Ive come to be viewed as the most iron fisted because of this and hated by as many as I am loved by. I really dont take crap, and often, it takes more than simply telling me that you are family. And even if you have told me you were family and I let it go for the time being, if I come back and see farming later, I ban first and ask questions later.

As far as Teamviewer or remote access viewing, if you are that desperate to win that you would put the security and integrity of your desktop and accounts in jeapoardy to get a dishonest win, boy I hope you dont come crying to us when someone gets over on you and ruins your account and steals whatever private information which might rest on your computer! Its happened many times before.

Lets face the facts though, this is a browser game. Unfortunately, flash games do not yet have the capability of embedding in a computer and identifying that machine. Admins arent perfect, and cannot catch each and every multi. Its simply not possible. However, we CAN catch most of them, and we CAN impose severe repercussions on alliances and players who engage in these sort of activities.

TO ALL THE CHEATERS OUT THERE: Dont cry and complain that the admin wont respond to you when you are busted for multi and left with red smoke billowing from your colonies on ALL WORLDS! A ban is on your account, not on a colony. Being banned on E1, means you are banned on ALL WORLDS! Cheat at your own risk. When I ban for farming and multi, I remove all crystals on all parties involved in ANY way! as well as deleting the colony right away on serious cases which results in losses of all troops belonging to that account.

Thank you though, for just coming out in a public thread and shouting to the rooftops that you know a difficult way to track cheating. That will surely help the cause...

Please let me make it clear. Admins are here to try and pick apart those that cheat. We are also here to help new players find their way.
We do both and there are alot of players in this game with hundreds of newbies daily so we stay busy.Cheaters have more time to dedicate to cheating then we have to dedicate to tracking. Insulting us will never change that. Some methods of cheating are harder than others to track, but sooner or later cheaters make mistakes. Yes, we do rely on you the community to help us police the game, and you guys are a great help! Its not a perfect system, but its something. Just so you know, the original idea for battledawn was to make it all automated. Even today, the game creator thinks that admins should Butt out as much as possible so that we dont ban innocent players. Your alternative is to have no admin at all!

I think that it comes down to being honest or dishonest. Admins have lives and cannot be online every second of every day. We have tried, but life develops and things happen. No one on earth can be online 24 hours a day 7 days a week.

I really do see alot of dishonesty and disposition and blame placing. I love that somehow when a cheater gets ousted by the community and the admins alike, it somehow becomes the admin and developer's faults because the ability to cheat exists in the first place. Niracas stated that andrew was on top of it, the situation is over, and yet people like Anarchy come out of the woodwork to suggest what a crappy job we are doing long after the reason to do so has been made null and the need for this thread (if there ever was one) has passed.

This wasnt the first cheater to get ousted and banned, and it wont be the last. As far as being an admin, its a no win situation for us. If we do our jobs and ban everyone on the same IP all the time we are evil gestapo dictators with iron fists and no hearts, and if we take the time to sort out each and every bad guy from possible legit multis we arent doing enough and the game is being overrun! Henny Penny the sky is falling!!!!

The cheater, while able to do some damage, was busted. Reparations were made. The situation has been addressed.

Show me another game where you have this many players all the time and you can get ANY kind of response out of the admins when you piss and moan and insult them and their competency?

Good Luck!

tootje · **Posted:** Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:29 am

and yee second member banned on BIO front frist darkonus now kodak?

aazaadx · **Posted:** Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:52 am

"Secondly, if someone is to be compensated, it should be both PS and TWSS."

Seriously! Really?

mfreak · **Posted:** Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:05 pm

aazaadx wrote:

"Secondly, if someone is to be compensated, it should be both PS and TWSS."

Seriously! Really?

Yup. Seriously and yeah really.

And..Kodak got banned for asking a colony for spamming, or something like that...

aazaadx · **Posted:** Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:36 pm

First let me apologize. It is not my intentions to defame the substantial contributions Kane, Seth have brought to the community. BD has evolved through them.

However, when something is not beneficial to the community is overlooked and misrepresented in the community, it is up to the community to point this out. This is a perfect medium to that, with limited censorship (Like locking the board so their voice cannot be heard.

Without going back to the past. It is not acceptable for a player to say, "Mostly I wanted to make a point that nothing has been fixed. Its way to easy to have Multi's. I warned them about this months ago and they havn't done a thing. Half of the server is probably multi's.” Even more so it is unacceptable for someone to say, It is our/their fault, we/they should have fixed the problem so you could not abuse it. The rest is commentary.

Thanks for being on top of this, now that it has come to light.

Most blatant cheating ever