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 Post subject: Re: UTM, UTMb,UTMe,GALA and other allies vs AL and subs
PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:23 am 
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Dude, whats with you and calculating power and score? It hardly matters. If you work as a team, and are active enough, you can beat any side. Power hardly matters..

I calculate power to strip away the apparent advantage that crystals/relics give.
Power gives a more accurate idea of the value of alliances. While it is true that activity is more important than score, three things should be noted:
1) You'll only get to the top... say 5 if you've been very veryactive, meaning that you've got plenty of conquers, and thus resources to build troops.
2) If you've got about half (perhaps as high as 3/4) the power of your opposition, you're dead no matter what. I have never seen, at any point (except once during the old client), a weak (not very much power) alliance, no matter how active, take on a power-heavy alliance. I will stand corrected on this one, though.
3) I have no way to calculate activity, only score.
I'm also rather pleased with the spreadsheet, so I want to play with it. It also gives an indication as to which way the war is actually going, without radar coverage of the entire map- if the power score abruptly drops for one alliance, they've suffered a major defeat.
That is why I crunch numbers so much. And... well, I can attempt to make a prediction if I complete a little bit of spreadsheet programming, and we'll see who's right then.


Power is measure of different things - conquers or army. Say you find a guy with 300 power and only 20 squads, and another guy with 150 power, and 40 squads. who do you think is gonna win, say a 1 vs 1 fight? Built properly, the guy with 40 squads who just sat there building all the time will win.

Regarding your second point, you should know that wars arent fought with all squads you have vs all squads the enemy has. Its fought in bits and pieces, you kill some here, kill some there, trap a few here and there, and spy the enemies squads here and there an dkill them little at a time. For example when SYN beat ABI 2 eras ago, ABI was almost 3 times stronger as per your calculations - and in army size. We still beat them, with activity and coordination, while those guys kept moving long etas and kept pulling noobish maneuvures...

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 Post subject: Re: UTM, UTMb,UTMe,GALA and other allies vs AL and subs
PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:37 am 
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To... pretty much all of you, I was not intending solely to number crunch. I was intending to look at the trends for each (which I have stored) and come up with a result. Which will probably be right.
While you do win thanks to activity and tactics, you're not going to get very far unless you are more active/generally better (excepting massive boosting) than those around you. That will give you your power, which you can then use to calculate who will win based on this.
I think that's what I'm intending to say, anyway.
With regard to the 'number crunching don't prove nothing', I'll make a prediction in a few days, and we'll see who's right then, shall we?


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 Post subject: Re: UTM, UTMb,UTMe,GALA and other allies vs AL and subs
PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:09 pm 
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OMG RDH you guys are so lucky. Everytime AL comes near us, and then we try to attack, they run away.

Now i find out Al doesn't know how to build troops. This is looking good.

Everytime (not even sure this happened) we run away its because we have like 1-2 online that can help. They had over half their alliance in our territory and still ran :/

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 Post subject: Re: UTM, UTMb,UTMe,GALA and other allies vs AL and subs
PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:21 pm 
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they would run too..but its hard to run while being locked :)


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 Post subject: Re: UTM, UTMb,UTMe,GALA and other allies vs AL and subs
PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:46 pm 
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gipsy wrote:
they would run too..but its hard to run while being locked :)


See AL is smart enough to put spy protection down :/

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 Post subject: Re: UTM, UTMb,UTMe,GALA and other allies vs AL and subs
PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:19 pm 
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GerberBaby wrote:
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Now apart from the jokes, you guys have done very little other than move squads here and there, telling your subs 2 push forward and nuke us from a safe distance.


Really? Yet you seem to be the ones who keep retreating your units back from all of our attacks. Stop running this isn't a war if the only units you use are spam units. There have been maybe 3 "major" attacks that resolved in the past 2 weeks between us bc you guys keep running away. Stay and fight lets finish this era not make it last till tick 2,500 just to see you guys lose.

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And why should we follow your adive? How about you stop telling us how 2 war? Ya certainly dont have the right. Youre just pissed cus our war ways are slightly working. Your whinning is bliss 2 our ears :P

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 Post subject: Re: UTM, UTMb,UTMe,GALA and other allies vs AL and subs
PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:21 pm 
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VaultDweller wrote:
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Now apart from the jokes, you guys have done very little other than move squads here and there, telling your subs 2 push forward and nuke us from a safe distance.


Really? Yet you seem to be the ones who keep retreating your units back from all of our attacks. Stop running this isn't a war if the only units you use are spam units. There have been maybe 3 "major" attacks that resolved in the past 2 weeks between us bc you guys keep running away. Stay and fight lets finish this era not make it last till tick 2,500 just to see you guys lose.

-Haven

And why should we follow your adive? How about you stop telling us how 2 war? Ya certainly dont have the right. Youre just pissed cus our war ways are slightly working. Your whinning is bliss 2 our ears :P


You dont have to follow anything but you realize that you guys are running away every time?

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 Post subject: Re: UTM, UTMb,UTMe,GALA and other allies vs AL and subs
PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:06 pm 
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Why does it seem like shadow is complaining about his enemy running away but I have not seen his name in any Of those BRs?


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 Post subject: Re: UTM, UTMb,UTMe,GALA and other allies vs AL and subs
PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:12 pm 
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Why does it seem like shadow is complaining about his enemy running away but I have not seen his name in any Of those BRs?


bobby u just cant seem to leave me alone :/

I tried. Countless times i tried :/ but its just not happening. Yesterday we tried many attacks and they retreated. Now it looks like they finally might attack us with their 100 squads

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 Post subject: Re: UTM, UTMb,UTMe,GALA and other allies vs AL and subs
PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:02 am 
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*SIGH*
I will reply to all of you.
Bran you are right in what you say but it will never tell who will win. Be as mighty as they are, if they activity to back it up and the skill and to some extent exprience then they will be invincible. But like RDH, super active and ecperienced and knowing every trick in the book they can defeat an unorganized alliance like AI. Be as mighty as they be. But if a few guys get active and get adding spy protection and playinng by the book then RDH will be swatted away ;) . But they are good enough to evade everything, and might just trap them in the end.
So put your statistics on the sheet but get to know how good and active they are too. :)

Bobby for a lying, traitor like you i have not much to stay. HATE SHADOW OR NOT, you say u only did it cause of shadow. GOOD GREIVE MAN. Have some tolerance and patience. And if you really want to know i always hated you. Why do you think kenny and i send u fake msgs and all kinds of this. We knew you were the spy but no matter what your BS was i didnt have you kicked and killed.
And well i cant blame AL for running. They cant stay and die now can they. Though i wish it were that easy. :lol: And as for Vault... We shall see who gets the last laugh. One day i all we need. Like we only took one day to take our your organized opposition and the area u took from us.
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