Fantasy right?

Yup, i was in KC3.
ISKC had about 14 subs, but also they had rivals....
Rev was a pretty powerful alliance, i wouldn have loved to see a war between ISKC and Rev, Rev had 4 subs, had about 5 relics,and they were quite powerful....
one of them conquered me(his rank 510) my rank 58.....
I wish I got a chance to show my power there lol
but yes Subs are unfair...
I have two brother alliances, we protect them if a powerful alliance declares war on them... but usually they take care of their own affairs, I have never ordered them to do anything... except tell them to recruit specific peple....
In my openion KoRT and KoH are both alliances that KoR is protecting like an older brother =P
but we do nto in any way shape or form ORDER them or tell them to do anything....we only request them to aid us or do stuff for us... there have been many times that KoRT had refused to do what we asked, which was fine by me.
But the difference between KoRT and KoR and HOWL and all it's subs is that HOWL decides who to declare war on and who to attack and literlally is like an extention of an alliance.... that is the meaning of "sub" for me.

~Relocated

14 subs and you couldn't pull off a perfect victory? Lame

Wow - 14 subs.......

thats 15 alliances.......

100 units per player? 12 members per alliance...

100 x (12 x15) = 18,000 units.

18,000 units and not winning thats really not good....

They won, just not a perfect victory. And I think your numbers are a bit off, most people have more then 100 units.

15 alliance and STILL no perfect win...mham they'll be conquered for sure if they didn't have subs. good team can win with 24 members alone, better team can archive 10 relics with no subs.

are you kidding me?

this is exactly what our "subs" are , we gave them help to build . and in return they helping us fight meow

so basicly you cant say nothing about our subs as they exactly the saem as your except ours are actually strong

also a perfect win is 10 relics right? if so ISKC had a perfect win ...

14 subs... um no. What he said was wrong.

We had about 3-5 real subs. When the F3 hall of fame gets posted we will know. But only 2 were actually strong/worthy of being subs.

KC1 and 2 were the only powerful ones though, they were the only other 2 alliances with a score over 20,000. We had over 40,000 (or 50,000?)
And we had a perfect victory, we got all relics.

What happened was the at first the subs were other alliances, but they became scared and changed their names to subs.
I would have just made them permenant allies and let the hand over the relics later on, so in other words they would act as subs.

ReV was not a threat at all. We attacked them and killed them in about one day.
Alliances that are not subs can still act as subs too.

Anyways, this round in F3 will be very intresting, with only 12 players for alliances there are 3 major alliances that will be competing, maybe 4 too.
VM (ISKC) is in first again with IV (pre-made alliance of good players) in second, and the alliance I am in (RiP) in third, but we have 2 less players and are behind by only 200 points.
I do not think we will have problems of a single dominating alliance anymore.

RiP may be doing good now but they will fall under the leadership of J of M. I should know im the one who taught him how to lead. thing is he failed miserably at everything i taught him. Thats why i perma kikced him from being KoR's 3rd in command. if you get a better leader i have no doubt RiP will do good but as it stands its heading for failure

Thanks for clearing it up, Relocated mentioned earlier that ISCK ended with only 5 relics.