You are physically able to pick up the Rook and knock over the King, that doesn't make it legal. That was my point.

I think the biggest problem with the plan was that FBI tipped their hand in Europe too soon. They should never have tried to cross while we were waiting for the clock to tick up to 1050, we had nothing better to do than to toss nukes at them. During that time frame we probably tripled the number of nukes in the area because of it. Eventually, they couldn't keep ioning them and started taking hits, causing them to retreat. Then, when you popped up in Africa, FBI was no where to be found. That's when they should have come flooding over with BvG & NAR. I won't get into the debate whether the colony gate plan was legit or not, but it wasn't really a surprise, I'm always wary of colonies that pop up like that. I didn't worry as much as I normally would because I reasoned that you were too far from the SA coast to get across, but it's all just a timing issue.

I feel the others explained what I meant sufficiently.

Not exciting? Are you mad? I don't know what you were doing, but for me the world had become totally boring with almost nothing happening because everyone had paired off on two sides, waiting for war to start.

Finally something happening, and it was happening on such a large scale.

Maybe this is commonplace for you but it was my first era in end game. Exciting was definitely the word for it. I had a blast! I think it started at like 3 am my time, just as I was about to go to bed after a late night. I didn't get much sleep that day.

What gameplay did we "circumvent"? There is no actual gameplay, written down anywhere. Actual gameplay is what you do ingame and that does not have to follow a pattern. Infact if you think about it, you did not fortify your area properly. You left space for 1 colony, on both coasts. Also this game is BD not chess. So giving examples like taking a rook and physically knocking the king off the board, kinda sounds childish. Thats what my sis used to do when we were kids Thats not something we did. We used a perfectly valid thing available ingame, which should have either been removed as a feature, or written in stone somewhere that, that move was wrong, failing which what we did was completely legal.

And like many others have commented, Seth did interfere unnecessarily. One thing to note is just because a lot of people complain, does not mean admins have to ban the guy the complaint is against. That is something Seth should learn.

Kevin.

I'm not throwing that in your face. I thought when we did it it was excellent strategy. Great idea. Well worth doing, and, indeed, you had options at your disposal. In spite of a fully allowable, legal move, in game, we were immediately punished, without comment or method to reach the admin to discuss the situation.

At the time you took a ton of heat and people were being tools to give it to you. On another era, something you did on a different server got you banned on the one you were on with me. And you were treated unfairly there as well, both by the admin and by people here.

In this case, you're simply wrong. What NO did was not utilizing a slave colony any more than when the guy who quit GIFT for my spot and let me conquer him was me conquering a slave colony. What JD did was not farming. Seth simply acted because he didn't like a thing.

Rumor is he actually was angry at JD earlier in the round for sending tokens to people, as if that's somehow against the rules. I didn't know whether to believe that or not as JD denies ever doing it (though people in his alliance confirm he did) and it boggles my mind an admin would say, "Hey, you, STOP spending money here and giving it to others."

Seth simply decides he doesn't like something and bends rules not intended for that situation to take immediate action which causes damage. It is bad behavior and impacts eras constantly. He needs to learn to control his ban finger.

The best way to assure that is to assure you maintain a consistent nature on whether someone can utilize an in game action that is not against the rules. We agree they can. NO did. Seth should have stayed out of it.

Andrei did send tokens to us to help build up. And Seth did send Andrei a message about that since he felt Andrei was "buying the server" or something to that effect. But then it was sorted, but I am not sure if Seth had that in the back of his mind while dealing with everything else. I sincerely hope not.

You are indeed throwing it in my face. The advantage I gained was minor, I only spared you a small inconvenience. I never disrupted the flow of gameplay to such a huge degree and accusing me of such is not fair.

Kevin,

I can't throw something in your face which I regard with high esteem and respect. You did the RIGHT thing then. You are taking it poorly for reasons I can not fathom. Remember, I'm FRIENDLY to you. I am not attacking you in any way. I'm asking you to remember when Seth has interfered with the game in the past in a ways he was incorrect and you were right, but which impacted us, I stood by you. When he does it in a way which benefits us, but remains wrong, don't try to make it the right thing. It's still Seth making the same errors.

Teller,

There is no flaming whatsoever in this thread. Not a bit. There are back and forth questions going on and open statements that Seth's REPEATED actions in SEVERAL eras I've witnessed and others are commenting go beyond "admins are still humans and do make mistakes," to something more perverse and troubling.

Seth injects himself into the game and impacts the outcome of the era. He takes action without warning or communication with no method of contact. In my ban, for a perfectly legit action, the ONLY reason I got brought back is because I had staff members in my alliance who could find someone to talk to.

The bottom line is Seth's actions are a repeated, nearly constant problem. Even today he inappropriately -- though to his credit, uses arguably -- cites "farming" as a rule violation by NO here. We all know what farming is. Perhaps he doesn't. Or, perhaps he does, which is why he used "arguably" realizing it didn't fit at all, but he needs to bolster a soft case so the more rules he can toss at it the better.

This is not a personal attack in any way on Seth. It IS comment on his actions, which merit inspection. It's a shame the player base has to inspect it though. Seth is additionally not being flamed. His actions are being discussed, and he could come here and speak on the topic at his leisure.

But, you guys here often call something you don't like a flame war or personal attacks to shut it down. Hell, Seth once gave me a site warning for flaming Kevin in a thread I was THE ONLY GUY DEFENDING Kevin. He later apologized for not knowing I was on his side and flaming everyone BUT him in my reply.

Let communication alone. Leave people to get their issues out and have them answered and put behind all. No need to overlord a perfectly reasonable, valid discussion thread such as this.

Your warning is uncalled for, and invalid. We all know admins are human beings and they do make mistakes. However, mistakes that cause eras to end, players to leave etc are serious. Everyone here has a right to speak their mind and call out mods, admins or other players on what they feel is wrong, and no one, and I repeat NOONE is immune. This is everyone's freedom of expression. So deal with it.

That said, Kevin and I have only been involved in pointless duel. He doesnt wanna give up his stand and I dont wanna give up mine. We both know this

There was no flaming here as anyone can see. Did you see each other getting angry and swearing at each other? You did not. We simply went back and forth a few times, so please refrain from giving verbal warnings, or any other form of warnings unless you actually see a flame war. Thanks for your time, not well spent on pointing out something non existent.

PS: Should have waited a few, couldnt have said it better than Oluvai.