Ohh my bad didn't mean about doom just about how the alliances are atm lol miss communication FTL [actually now that I think about it my post was kinda vague so disregard it as IDK what I was thinking at the time lol]

Well, I guess you haven't had your special little bubble burst yourself, have you, Oluvai?


And Guarav, how can you really judge an alliance like that at just tick 250-300? Sure, were not number 1, but then again, were not donating. Only 3 DOOM members have donated. 3 out of 14. And we were still in the top 13. That's not bad. Just look at last round. We COMPLETELY disbanded, and then came back to be #7 in less than a 1,000 ticks without donating.

And to avoid one inevitable counter-argument "BUT GENERAL_PATTON, DONATING ISN'T BAD!"

No, it's not bad, but it's somewhat sad when the only reason your so far ahead of everyone is because your paying for it.

General Patton,

Two points. One, you're correct that a donating player has extreme advantages over a non-donating player. It is ultimately an imbalance that will spell the end of Battle Dawn. Games like SOME GAME and SOME OTHER WAR GAME manage to make money without fundamentally making it impossible for non-money players to compete at the highest levels, though on SOME GAME you have significant advantages to be sure. This game can make you a top player if you do NOTHING in game but donate. I know, I did that on F2 a while back.

It's ridiculous.

Second, the reason we're so far ahead of you has little to do with donating. You saw a fraction of our forces. You were outclassed. None of you even moved. The one guy with a shield evacuated his colony allowing reinforcements to die. He had no spy protection to boot.

You did not buzz OPs to keep us occupied. You didn't mass together either to repel the force, or get behind it to slow movement and limit options. You ALLOWED OPEN space on your island for us to build multiple new OPs. Had we donated 0 we'd have killed you, because we operate as if the game requires some attention and activity.

The reason we could hit you so far from our home base with a fraction of our forces IS because we donate. But, you lost because you guys slept through the event.

You don't know what you're talking about.

This round is SO young. We've been in this position before (Just last era against DRAW), and ended up #4. The only difference is we have LOTS more time to play with you.

I don't care about Donating, i Honestly don't think it will decide the better player (Except in a few cases, where a certain few players go overboard.

You have nothing to brag about. You haven't won ANYTHING yet. If you win this round, THEN and only THEN will you have right to tell us otherwise.

Until then, get over yourself.

As to this ''You did not buzz OPs to keep us occupied. You didn't mass together either to repel the force, or get behind it to slow movement and limit options. You ALLOWED OPEN space on your island for us to build multiple new OPs. Had we donated 0 we'd have killed you, because we operate as if the game requires some attention and activity.''

That time, it May be true..BUT;

We've played Alliances better or equal to MUPT, and done just fine (BYE4, DRAW). We had the EXACT same situation with Draw, Me and Patton alone repelled them out of Sweden/Norway and built Doom back up to #4. But that's the past, we'll do it again.

But please, don't bash my alliance when all you've proven yet is a quick start and some extra $. We can beat the money, it will all come down to who's got the best team working together. DOOM has worked together and have done great, MUPT has good players, but together, Untested .

Take XXIV for example, i was in it, it had great players and all, but ultimately collapsed.

In any case, as i've told you again and again, Just wait untill the round is over to start bashing.

And to Guarav, No, that's not true at all. We were ranked #13 for quite a while last era, and finished #4. As they say, History repeats itself.

Nobody, not Me, or You can make a guess as to who would be in the tops at the end, only time will tell.

Man Quentin..you talk so much about how you repelled DRAW back without realizing after we crushed you, we paid very little attention to you guys...we were busy with S. Had we wanted to keep you guys down like bugs, we could have easily done so, you guys wouldn't have stopped us...

-Gaurav

Guav, there were 2 of us. We got nearly 300 of your units.

It wasen't even 24 guys, it was 2.

Lol. Only strengthens my point.

PS: You did come after us. Came on our island and tried to conquer us for our crystals, (Also failed attempt). That's how it all started, if i'm not mistaking.

Do i think you came at us full force? No, of course not.

There was no alliance attempt at going after Doom after the 1st time. Great you pushed us an alliance who couldn't' care less if they got pushed out of an area...listen. Draw care for one thing, S, after we took out DOOM, that's where our mind and most of our units were. Why would we waste time fighting 300 units for a couple of crystals and colonies? Again, if DRAW wanted to crush you once more, you wouldn't have been able to stop it.

-Gaurav

Edit- Doom last era was at the top of the boards for at least 1000 ticks and was doing much much better before DRAW came for them. DOOM this era on the other hand, were still mostly isolated to Slav and it was tick 300. Come on man, you can't compare DOOM from last era to the DOOM of this era. Doom had Europe relatively to yourselves last era. While this era you were/are competing with Euro, Euro2, and the Muppet.

What the hell are you talking about 'Took out Doom'?

We were all broken up, there was no DOOM when you entered this island. Doom disbanded WAY before S/DRAW war. That just isin't even close to fact.

When you came for the remaning DOOM members crystals on this Island, (maybe as a detour to S OP's but no less), it was still an attack.

So Patton and I created SS. It wasen't even DOOM then, bud. It was 2 v DRAW units in Sweden/Norway and surrounding lands. We suffered around 50 troops lost, to nearly 300. Smaller scale, but it was only 2 of us. But that wasent even what i was getting at. I was merely comparing situations. Situation being that we are under atttack in Sweden/Norway area and are fighting to get it back. (Well, not yet we aren't)

Proud of rank 7? I can understand if you had to put down all new colonies and start rebuilding your structures again. But a little organization and will power go a long way. That should be quite easy to do.

Quentin,

You go to lengths to suggest to me the round is young and therefore nothing is determined, and then, seemingly without breath and clearly without recognition of your own determinations, you state you've played alliances equal to or better than MupT.

Uh, using your own logic, that the round is young and nothing is determined, don't you therefore have to determine that MupT may be the finest assortment of uber-sexy men and women ever to grace the Battle Dawn servers?

Right. You must.

You don't get to apply one logic for a conclusion you like and the precise opposition to make another conclusion you like. The point remains. What happened to Doom had little to do with donating. It had EVERYTHING to do with Doom really apparently having no idea they could move units around, or build Ops in empty spaces, or, hell, even have spies on colonies.

There is no clue boost. I fought your guys. You could have one million dollars to boost, and I'd still not have lost a ship with that assortment of garbage you were building. This is not something we have to wait to determine. We know it .