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mfreak · **Posted:** Wed May 11, 2011 3:57 pm

Pfffff....I dont know what everyone is complaining about!!.

Guys, if you think Kanes methods are wrong or questionable, and your ways are right, go ahead do what you do. You are not gonna get a guy to say "yeah, I am wrong" when it has worked for him for many eras. Go play an era, do what you can do, win it in your own terms and beat Kane, then you can call him out on certain issues that you think caused his downfall. All I see is a lot of jealousy or frustration from yourselves at having failed in the past

trevor1601 · **Joined:** Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:45 pm **Posts:** 939

To be honest, i didn't like kane. mostly because of so many people are jealous of his record and told me he was arrogant and thought he was the best.

Fact is people he does win most of his rounds from what i see. so if you can't respect someone with a near perfect record on hard fought rounds then you should go cry somewhere.

Being one of the top leaders in this game is not easy. and i think every can admit that Kane's teams are top notch.

haterz will be haterz...

Seth · **Posted:** Mon May 23, 2011 10:07 pm

Aye. Ive appreciated being able to watch Kane at work on E4.
The guy gets on my nerves like none other, but he can indeed play the game with honor, integrity and skill. All of which seem to be in short supply these days (not to say that everyone in E4 fits that mold, but you can log into E4 & check the alliance lists and see what I mean. Maybe I am idealistic, but I would totally die a glorious death in battle making sure my enemies feared seeing me on the battlefield next time before I would ever be 'just another sub'. The same applies to being a leader and allowing too many subs under my main. A good leader practices integrity IMHO).

It seems the preferred method now is to enlist as many players as possible into subs so that you secure a win by pure number instead of skill. Kane seems to think that we have too many servers open, thereby spreading the 'real players' too few and far between. Heck, maybe he is right. In the end though, it isnt up to him and I how many servers there are. Kane also thinks I am trying to shame the obvious sub-normous beast currently ravaging E4. That's not my intention. I actually refuse to even mention the name at this point. I am simply expressing my opinion and frustration on the matter. Maybe I am secretly hoping that it will bring out some level of honor and integrity though. I am only human.

I wish Kane would just come out and play this era. The man is always sporting how much he enjoys a challenge. Cant be much more challenging then fighting a 100+ player faction? Right? I don't see too many others rising to it. /shrugs

psg188 · **Posted:** Tue May 24, 2011 9:57 pm

I appreciate the kind words Seth, I'm a bit annoyed you blocked me on skype but I guess it flows with your "I hate Kane, but he's right" argument here. I cannot play to win e4 now for two reasons, I have friends I would have to beat, which I am not comfortable with... also my schedule over the summer is not conducive to leading a rank #1 alliance. I'll be back in the fall.

As for the subs, it's a bit of a complicated issue. The way I see it, there are four kinds of players in a sub.

#1 Friend of someone in the main alliance doing them a favor in exchange for a favor on another server, or perhaps he just wants to help out.

#2 Veteran player without much actual connection to the main alliance, but he's too lazy to find a top ranked team, or there are not enough available to join and so he sits in a sub so at least he can go out and kill things.

#3 A new player who doesn't care about the game at all, but the main alliance is tired of dealing with him because he's annoying in some way and sticking him in a sub gets him out of your hair.

#4 A genuine new player who is trying his best and wants to get better. He joins the sub for protection and a place to learn the game in order to advance to an independent team in the future, or because someone in the main alliance was nice to him so he wants to help out.

You are trying to shame them into dispersing the subs, and it won't work. It might be unintentional, but you are definitely doing it with every post and comment about how you dislike what is going on. Guess which of those four kinds of players this will stop? None of them.

#1 doesn't care, he knows what he is doing and no opinion of yours will stop him from doing his friend a favor. #2 is the most likely to be swayed, but he convinces himself that he has no other options if he wants to play without being incredibly stressed out so he filters out everything else until this is his only option. #3 and #4 don't care what you think, #3 is too inactive to do anything right on his own and #4 is too new to realize that he's doing something wrong, or he made friends with someone in the main alliance and feels "included" or that he's under someone's wing and won't abandon them.

I think the only way to solve it is reducing the servers so the population is higher per server, and it cuts down on the number of places competition can spread out to. #1 won't act any different, but with less servers to play he may want to play for himself rather than wasting one of the servers on assisting his friend. #2 will find more options to make an alliance to play for real, with more people competing it is less stressful as no frontrunner can simply knock him down. #3 will never change no matter what, he's not active enough to play for real and won't care about anything. #4 has a possibility to be taught by someone independent rather than having to join a sub. This is all just conjecture, and I don't know if it would work, but from a cursory glance at the situation it seems condensing the population will foster more competition than simple shaming or token rewards will do. Those aren't real incentives because most people don't check the forums to be shamed, or they don't know you are referring to them, or they don't care... and tokens can be won by subs just as easily, so that's no motivation to not align yourselves with another team.

I use subs sometimes, I see it as a way to have more reliable allies who won't betray you if it gets them ahead, and when you see real life examples of vassal states and puppet governments being installed, it's hard to not want to emulate emperors conquering their cuts of the world. If there were a way to foster a vassal system that didn't ruin the balance of teams wanting to break off and rule themselves, I'd be all for it, but the nature of online gaming makes that difficult to balance and account for the way people react on the internet. I think the simplest solution is reducing server count to compress competition.

Just my 2 cents.

skooby1111 · **Posted:** Tue May 24, 2011 11:44 pm

I agree there should be less servers

It used to be actually fun playing in servers cause they had 3 or 4 actuallly good allainces in a server with actual pro's.

Like kane said it condenses the populations also it will solve the problem for the most part of conquers deleteing as there will be people who actually will try to play in the servers.

Seth · **Posted:** Thu May 26, 2011 2:10 pm

Sorry Kane. Had to happen. Arguing with you is like pissing headlong into a gale force wind. Its better this way.

Im really trying to just bare with it at this point. I guess in a way Im being overly pessimistic.

At the very least, I hope that many a' noob are learning something on E4 at least. Perhaps that's the way I should be looking at things. If the issue at hand is that the competition is spread too thin, then the greater competitors are at least hopefully schooling some newer players along the way.

Keep bringing new acquaintances to the forums and build networking structure. If we all pull together as a community in that respect, we can start breeding more competition. Think about it. It is not as though the players are not there, they just need direction.

Hopefully these subs bring some new alliances in future rounds. At least then it would be worth it.

Perhaps we should consider some integration of sub alliances into the game. At least if we integrated, we could attempt to enforce some hard cap on alliances numbers
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psg188 · **Posted:** Thu May 26, 2011 3:28 pm

No we couldn't, because it is impossible to draw the line between an ally and a sub-alliance. I find blocking someone a bit immature when you can just end the conversation, but maybe that's just me.

schicoman15 · **Posted:** Fri May 27, 2011 3:59 pm

Pagan wrote:

Ohhh my dear, Skwrel, i can only speculate why you are advocating for them so fiercefully, maybe because their debating skills sum up to statements alike ...

schicoman15 wrote:

um, shut up pagen?

ya thats the phrase i was lookin for

you see, my internet connection made it possible to join this game, thus in some way, you are right... i met with Justin in my first ever era in BD, at that time i was a member of one of the allies to LR, thus having the "privilege" to watching him surrender to Kane at the first sign of serious fighting. By doing that he was letting us down, his allies. As a newbie i was trying to figure out who is who in BD at that time and i can tell you that Justin of Terra Nova became a synonym for a coward in my eyes, way before i even met Kane.

Later, when i joined Kane, i had great fun playing cats and mice with them ( in numerous eras), and they never let me down, they always were true to their ideals ... barking on the forums and hiding in the game.

An this gives me the right to publicly speak out what i think of them. And no extent of your proze, calling to their defence will change that.

jezz this still going on? i feel like im playign witha pack of old men, ah well, if ya cant beat em,
pagen what was my first alalince name? if you know me so well, if you cant rememebr then see previous statement,
besides, when your talking rock hard B/S you dont need anything more than "shut up"

freak i think most people here are doing what marketers do with ads, drill their msgs into the communities head till everyone hates/wants it, dont ask me why i dont know i just like argueing :p

trevor, iv got nothing against kev personally, but his methods are agrivateing to me, between the manipulation of the less independeant (witch is exactly why kev hates people like me tom and skwrel) the hideing untill hes got a solid foothold, so just in case he dose screw up he dosnt get embarrassed, ya kev i said it, hide at tyour weaked to hold your name. b/c you know wed get you if you came out in teh open,at teh start before you have your rank to scare our allies with and of course the subs, aods doing a good job at agrivateing me this round but i dont turn on my allies, not while i have the orange anyway. btw kev your little msg back there, that adds an adjutctive to your list, look up "hypocryte" sometime.

and lastly tom,
i know as well as you do how pointless this is, the bull flows from the kid like water through the mississippi river, but i kinda like it, battleing it out here is just so theraputic, its probly why i havnt destroyed all my possessions out of agrivation from lifes everyday rigors.
god help me if kev did quite, id probly start cutting myself, and no kev im not sucking up, you still agrivate me into seizures.

one last little note, sence my ideals seem to be in question i will be workinging on a "skwrel" type post for later, if you ever find me in violation of this point it out and ill admit it openly (oh that would probly make your head a litttle bigger wouldnt it)

schicoman15 · **Posted:** Fri May 27, 2011 4:01 pm

THIS JUST IN!

i still cant type >_>
i still dont care about fixing typos Oo

(just figured id defuse that)

Pagan · **Joined:** Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:52 pm **Posts:** 67

look i do not give a damn any more, you had to get drunk to write this? well i give you something even more entertaining ... i'm nutz and use it as appropriate.. beat that :mrgreen:

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