To clarify that number for you trev, it was nine squads. Ping had the main there of 14, but if you look she had really 18 squads there, with the 4 outbranched. Not to mention currently Ping is bringing more sqauds to that area, so i just had my player clearout of that area all together to avoid anymore mix ups.

im not placed on this server so don't know what the ranks are with alliances. im guessing GIFT is in 1st and pushing their weight around.

good luck to all teams involved, Im glad to see some decent alliances playing this era instead of just 30 subs in top 30 alliances.

Good luck-trevor

Juno I never said NO had any role to play in what happened. I was merely extrapolating a situation that was brought to light here in this thread.

Secondly, like I have argued many times before, sniping is a lame reason to start a war. Yes its annoying. Yes its sometimes used by alliances including GIFT to start wars as a strategic move, but its a lame reason anyway. When ASEN backstabbed GIFT 3 or 4 eras ago, sniping was one of the reasons given and if you read back on that thread, GIFT called it lame, and I agree it was lame. So do not state sniping as a reason for attacking someone or breaking a NAP, you guys know much better. Lastly, sniping is a two way street. When someone sends same eta as you, you can call it sniping, or call yourself careless for sending less. There is no way to prove that the other side is deliberately doing it. This is what happens when you share area. That is why you need territory agreements but obviously GIFT hasn't accepted a territory deal (I think) simply because they wanna expand everywhere. So you would have to put up with a little competition and not get all worked up over it.

You should also note that GIFT are not victims here by any means, since you are a very skilled bunch. No one is accusing GIFT of everything wrong that happens, only for which GIFT is directly responsible - like an attack on an ally (By choice or by mistake).

Here's the problem right here. CALM DOWN BRO. It's a game. I'm sure Kevin doesn't hate you. He wouldn't be winning if he let this stuff get to him. You on the other hand... this whole thread drips with emotion. Take a step back. Don't let it get so personal next time.


Maybe Kevin, but there are some here who I think need to be snapped out of it so they never do anything this stupid again. *looks at Ferr3t and Mfreak*

@Mfreak and Ferr3t:
Be ashamed! Both of you! What are two respectable bros doing, trying to support this fiasco of a smear campaign against a genuinely good guy like Kevin?! Sure maybe you guys are all TECHNICALLY right but good grief, stop hiding behind such cat footed excuses. Mfreak, you Openly ADMIT to knowing GIFT's And G1FT's relationship for what? 3 eras? Which is the equivalent to what? 6-9 months? GOOD GOD MAN! Us people in G1FT are real people. What did you think would happen if your alliance made a pact with one of us and then attacked the other? Exactly.... And Ditto on the sniping, dudes. So either you're playing with doofuses or you guys are purposefully bating us. Either way I can't believe the paper thin arguments your alliance members are making and WORSE I can't believe you two are backing them!!!

My advice... get out. I don't care if you're having a good era. I don't care if you're actually friends with some of those people. Either get out of perform a Coup and kick the troublemakers. There are better ways to pursue wars that don't involve heinous uses of information warfare. It's just not cool.

@Trevor
Thanks for your observations mate. Sorry I don't have a whole slew of proof for ya. You've only got my word that I'm playing honest here. Concerning your observations about the methodology of forming NAPs, I understand your points. However GIFT and G1FT are hardly the type of alliance in the example you gave.

SNN's argument on their right to attack us may be technically correct but again, their using that technicality to attempt to provoke us, and then launching this smear campaign afterwards... well if I were their mother, I would smack their wrist for such behavior. Man to man, it deserves a whole paragraph of words that would get me banned from this forum.

@AnitsuEx
Yeah I can't read any of the text in the first picture. Maybe it's my computer's resolution.
And yes, the way some players are talking here reveals aspects of their actual personality which destroy my interest in ever committing to a 3 month period during which I would have to depend upon them in a team setting. I would not trust anyone who used their lines of reasoning.

About your post on Kevin, I've been saying the exact same thing about making enemies when you win to Daerduo over in another thread but he doesn't seem to believe me.

@asjsdf
Back off of Kevin mate. He's a stand up dude.

@Ping/Pagan
As a member of the sub being kicked around over Technicalities, I appreciate your actions, though it seems you had plenty of reasons of your own to go after John Doe. He seems to have been spoiling for a fight.

Well now that's all finished

It's good to know the full extent of what's going on at last. Thanks all involved.

@Juno:
im happy to see that you got used to write in lines instead of rows, otherwise your post would have been over like 50 pages

cheers!

What did i missed? Is here the "twilightmask praising Kevin" topic?
You are telling that it is just a game... for you it seems to be a religion

LMFAO Avi



Tell me something TwilightMask. What do you know about GIFT and Kevin? Other than the fact that he is a "genuinely good guy, because he stopped attacking you and made you an ally in a sub". LOL. I consider Kevin a good friend, he is with me on other servers. I played E4 with him 2 eras ago, along with Juno etc and won the era. Ive been against him once and lost. I have nothing against the dude. But you coming here and not knowing what you are talking about and on top of writing a 1000 page essay, without reading what I have written above is what irritates me.

Now to reiterate, according to this thread, G1FT was NOT included in the NAP deal. Even if G1FT is a sub, GIFT has to openly say that you are subs. Naming yourself after the main alliance does not grant you automatic immunity. I for one know that G1FT is a sub. Even so, if I was another alliance leader, I would still attack G1FT if GIFT did not declare you as subs. This is what even Kevin would do, and has done in the past. And no one can blame him or anyone else who have adopted that strategy.

Lastly I am not backing anyone. Infact I am not in any of the feuding alliances. I am simply making a neutral and fair observation. Case in point is the fact that Juno by her own admission attacked an ally, and Kevin asked her to turn, which means it was a mistake. Whether it was a mistake or not, when you look at it from a third persons point of view, it will always seem as a break of NAP, considering the fact that SNN was at war with GIFT earlier in the round.

Friends I've made in the forums

Kevin, Spyda, mfreak, Ferr3t, Tenkai, Teller, Daerduo, Jaivres (spl?), etc

Friends from the forums I've played with in game

Kevin, Jaivres, Daerduo

Friends from the forums I've played with in game that are relavent to this thread

Kevin

Friends whose honor is in question in this thread

Kevin

Hmmmm... I wonder why I mentioned him so many times... Could it be because most of the rest of this thread looked like a Hate-Kevin festival? I really didn't think that was very fair...

You are stating something that wasn't the point of the thread. It is about GIFT breaking a NAP. And Kevin is being picked on since, he is leader of GIFT. That doesn't mean this is a Hate Kevin topic. Its just your assumption.