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 Post subject: Re: GIFT breaking NAP???
PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:08 pm 
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twilight your posts have proven to me you haven't played BD much and never at a high capacity. so go find some other forums to post your opinion on which you know nothing about.

learn the game then start choosing sides.

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 Post subject: Re: GIFT breaking NAP???
PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:44 pm 
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Next we will have our favorite representative TL to cross-examine.





Just curious is that a girl or a guy in your avatar?

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 Post subject: Re: GIFT breaking NAP???
PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:50 pm 
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psg188 wrote:
No territory deal was written, SNN had no "territory" and pretending to control an area 15 ticks away from your hive is a bit ridiculous that early in the game.
All alliances have 'territory' it's a fact of life. If I walked up to you and stood 5 cm from your face would you just allow me to stay there?

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You mean SNN attacks GIFT's OPs without talking to them.
SNN talked to you and attempted to reason with you, you rudly shuved us away. I can send screenshots.

psg188 wrote:
Subs should have been assumed. Match ETA issue was certainly discussed, I brought it up twice in the talks. We never agreed not to go ahead of each other.
1.Kane, never assume.

2. Matching ETA was never agreed on, only talked about.

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GIFT goes ahead of SNN when it can, that's always allowed. SNN purposely continued attacks into GIFT OPs even though we arrived first. SNN also purposely matches ETA to try and kill GIFT units and admits to doing this. Thereby breaking our NAP.
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SNN also purposely matches ETA to try and kill GIFT units and admits to doing this. Thereby breaking our NAP.
I've said this so many times, Kane.. You can't seem to listen. Nothing to do with ETAs was ever agreed on in our NAP.

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SNN also purposely matches ETA to try and kill GIFT units and admits to doing this.
Mate.. Are you even reading my prev. posts? GIFT were the ones that started matching ETAs, sending 4 squads at a crystal which had 2 SNN squads attacking it.

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Either by a brand new member or was provoked, this issue was never brought to my attention. Good diplomacy from SNN.
Don't lie, Kane. I Sent you screenshots the second I saw those incoming squads, you failed to respond. You had shown in the past that you weren't a very talkative bloke so I assumed you were just ignoring me. (I upload screenies)

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Except it wasn't a backstab, nor was it ever called one by any of our players... because at that point SNN already violated the agreement. We apologized because we had hopes that SNN would negotiate and stop abusing our good nature, only to be met with an SNN leadership that wanted to avoid negotiating at all costs. This forced our hand to war.
Ping called it a backstab and appologised!! Can you read? SNN never voilated the agreement, stop twisting the facts.

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 Post subject: Re: GIFT breaking NAP???
PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:31 am 
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Twilightmask wrote:
Last page I made a long rational argument detailing how both sides were at fault and we should recognize that and now both YOU AND DAERDUO are land-basting me for doing the exact opposite of that because I started shouting at Ferr3t and Trevor!

Repeat after me, twilight.
LAMBASTING.
Not land-basting.
LAMBASTING.
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then perhaps you should see a Doctor...

Doctor who? :?
And now for something actually to do with the thread...
psg188 wrote:
Daerduo, I agree it's a lot of finger pointing... I am merely playing the game, I didn't create whining threads when SNN violated our agreement. I simply messaged the leader to try and talk, and when he refused to negotiate I started planning the attack. I did my best to remain peaceful, but they forced my hand. Just because Twilight is on my side doesn't mean I'm a saint, that would imply that the neutral position is that I'm wrong... which is incorrect, I'd say the neutral position is that this is a war game and SNN is slinging mud because they lost their territory. No one is a saint in a war game.

I'm not saying Twilight is calling you a saint because he supports you.There was a post somewhere quoting all the times Twilight was idolizing you. That's my grounds for thinking Twilight thinks you a saint. Not just him supporting you. Heck, I see where you're coming from in this case and I don't think you a saint. I just don't idolize you like Twilight does.

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 Post subject: Re: GIFT breaking NAP???
PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:25 am 
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All alliances have 'territory' it's a fact of life. If I walked up to you and stood 5 cm from your face would you just allow me to stay there?


ETA15 when your hive is in the center of the map is an absolute ridiculous "territory" to have. It would be like standing 30 feet from someone, not 5 cm. Your metaphor is stupid, you can't compare being 5cm with being 15 ticks.

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SNN talked to you and attempted to reason with you, you rudly shuved us away. I can send screenshots.


Reason? Every deal you made involved cutting off 25% of the map to us. We obviously ignored those. We never closed off Africa to you. Just because a deal is offered does not mean there were real negotiations... also, when you attacked you didn't say anything.

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1.Kane, never assume.

2. Matching ETA was never agreed on, only talked about.


Never assume? It's called being intelligent and avoiding issues, you obviously wanted a war and we gave it to you. Matching ETA was not "discussed". I mentioned it twice as something I wanted and Skwrel agreed to the deal.

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I've said this so many times, Kane.. You can't seem to listen. Nothing to do with ETAs was ever agreed on in our NAP.


You followed through on attacks into GIFT OPs, and matched ETAs when I put in the deal that it wasn't allowed to do purposefully. You broke it. Simple.

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Mate.. Are you even reading my prev. posts? GIFT were the ones that started matching ETAs, sending 4 squads at a crystal which had 2 SNN squads attacking it.


Our infrastructure wasn't even mixed to start with, the matching began as we tried to expand and you matched us to every OP. That was way before either had any time to hunt for crystals.


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Don't lie, Kane. I Sent you screenshots the second I saw those incoming squads, you failed to respond. You had shown in the past that you weren't a very talkative bloke so I assumed you were just ignoring me. (I upload screenies)


That was after you guys already started attacking them. It was maybe a new member, someone who joined after already being attacked by SNN, I had no way of knowing because SNN started attacking before talking.


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Ping called it a backstab and appologised!! Can you read? SNN never voilated the agreement, stop twisting the facts.


I can read... can you? She never said that. Go back and double check.

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 Post subject: Re: GIFT breaking NAP???
PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:59 am 
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AHhahaha. Kevin's blunt "Your metaphor is stupid" comment made me laugh.

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twilight your posts have proven to me you haven't played BD much and never at a high capacity. so go find some other forums to post your opinion on which you know nothing about.

learn the game then start choosing sides.

And Trevor... no, I won't stop commenting or having opinions. I've been raised a free American and we're bred to have opinions and comment on everything even if those opinions are stupid. The good news is you are free to try and use your apparently VAST and obviously superior knowledge and wisdom to try and convince me of your own opinions. You're also free to sulk and tell me to shut up if that's what you're into. Just don't expect me to pay you any heed. For most spirited Humans, telling them not to do something usually results in them doing exactly that. It's a natural reflex.

Anyhow, I've tried to make up and be friends! You apparently have no humility, too much pride, or just don't want to bother and meet me halfway. Peace. I leave you to your own failings.

And thanks for the correction Daerduo. Lambasting... It's not one of those words I get to use often.
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To the main argument, I think it's been rehashed enough and deserves a fresh viewing. I think SNN had some high expectations in this and GIFT was too quick on the draw in reacting violently.

How's that for neutral? Is that fair to both sides? Am I making GIFT sound too good still? Can both sides agree to this?

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 Post subject: Re: GIFT breaking NAP???
PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:38 pm 
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twighlight get back to your kev loving posts. it suits you better.

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 Post subject: Re: GIFT breaking NAP???
PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:14 pm 
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trevor1601 wrote:
twighlight get back to your kev loving posts. it suits you better.


agreed

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 Post subject: Re: GIFT breaking NAP???
PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:39 pm 
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Really, I'm done with this thread. All that I've wanted to say is said, Kane is lying though his teeth. Why in the world would SNN want early war with GIFT while they were so powerful? Kevy Wevy is twisting the facts the other way around in order make it seem like SNN wanted war. Bye.

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 Post subject: Re: GIFT breaking NAP???
PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:57 pm 
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Ok... that's more than enough.
Let's do away with allusions. What's your beef with me Trevor? Tootje? What have I done to you two, to get you so worked up over me?

I took the first dozen or so jibes about me being a Kevin-lover with good grace but now you two are just being ugly and petty.

Kevin is a cool guy. He wins on a consistent basis, and he doesn't put up with BS. His manner is at times brisk and overbearing, but no worse than most of the people who accuse him of such.

If I've gained a bad reputation simply by defending him, then I have no regrets. In my opinion, defending a friend against those who would assault him, in any manner, is a worthy pursuit.

So let's stop hiding behind cute nicknames and get whatever it is out in the open.

What have I done to so terribly wrong you both?

Edit: And for god's sake Trevor. Please, either call me by one of my colony names or start spelling my name correctly. Please....

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