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 Post subject: Re: GIFT breaking NAP???
PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:36 pm 
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Fact is you have no clue. that is the only fact. when you break a NAP (which is already low) you announce it, give ticks, etc. all you did is start spamming lol.

and no torpet did not conquer me. a friend did. one who is here too ;)

again you used to be so much better at this debate...now you are just lame. sad...see what happens when you stop reading books and start getting glued to the computer screen kid? focus on that lol


First, how old is this guy? I think that's the fourth post he's calls Kevin a kid in. What are you? 31 or so according to your name? I don't think Kid is really the proper moniker for anyone less than 20 years younger than you, unless they ARE actually kids, ie. 16 and younger. :| Furthermore, shouldn't anyone qualified to call Kevin a kid be old enough to be above such petty arguments? I mean you've devolved to the point of mostly ridiculous insults and obvious bating techniques. In my humble opinion, you need to take a step back, cool off, go back to your wife for a day and not think about this game, then come back and try again. That's what I do. Meh whatever...

And in what world do people announce their intentions to break an NAP? That's suicidally dangerous. :? :|

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We already went through this on the last 7 pages of this topic kane....sorry your agrument here is invalid. Your choice is clear and is now known what you and GIFT is truly about. See you later Kane.


I've said it before and I'll say it again. The whole "Your sub isn't included" argument is FAIL. :? I really can't believe the entire other side is clinging to it. None of you have even bothered to admit that you might have been wrong on that.

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Imagine if you will 2 brothers. One old and strong, one young and weak. The strong brother has a fight with another man over a woman. The strong brother and the man come to terms and agree to leave each other alone before they come to blows. The next week, the brother is back at the bars and he notices the man is beating up on his weaker brother...
Does the agreement they made the previous week have any meaning now?


If you have to come up with a reason why you shouldn't be protecting your brother then you are not worthy to be that man's brother. So it is with GIFT and G1FT.

What's your problem with these things guys? Of course a man's promise to his Brother super-cedes deals he makes with other men. Being surprised and acting shocked that you elicited any response after you blatantly attacked G1FT (multiple times in NR's case) is simply ludicrous. Who are you trying to convince here, with your arguments?

Be real, dudes. Are we arguing here about reality or are we arguing to win an argument?

Now admit to me that I'm right with my parable AND DON'T skimp! I want you to tell me I am correct and I want you to apologize for telling me that my alliance and myself are unimportant and we don't count. Sincerely admit that it's not okay to use us as a punching bag to test GIFT for weaknesses and recoup losses.

And then you can proceed with a rational argument that does not include your pathetic obsession with Technicalities. :P

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Just becasue i provoke this situation, doesn't mean i broke the NAP. Clearly you did, and yet i have to see any claim to it. I can stand on my side and do whatever i want, but you kane crossed the line. whos at fault??? GIFT. Plain and simple. What are you 5? You hit me and say it was my fault cause you got pissed, sorry not flyin here.

And Skwrel? Why did you sign an NAP if you planned on provoking (your words) afterwards? What possible gain does that leave you? Was this whole thing a trap to screw Kevin over by forcing him to break his word to maintain his honor while you and yours aggravated things TECHNICALLY not included in the NAP? I don't think anyone but you cares about that...

Whatever... I don't know why I'm still posting here... Kevin you were right way back on the second page.

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 Post subject: Re: GIFT breaking NAP???
PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:56 pm 
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camel there is someone in GIFT with your forum picture rank 11. is that you?


Hahahaha... didn't know my avatar could still be seen in my own profile even if I chose to hide the display of my avatar, damn forum and my habit of putting some hot chicks as my avatar.

Yes, you are right.

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 Post subject: Re: GIFT breaking NAP???
PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:20 pm 
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Okay so while you brothers keep fighting, I take the woman away with me :D

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 Post subject: Re: GIFT breaking NAP???
PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:22 pm 
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Okay so while you brothers keep fighting, I take the woman away with me :D

:P And that's how it's done. Hahaha,
and :lol: @ Camels. It's been a nice bit of cloak and dagger up till now. I didn't even suspect :)

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 Post subject: Re: GIFT breaking NAP???
PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:31 pm 
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Dude, you have no idea whast really going on do you? Kane didn't set the NAP up correctly and hes pissed about it. As for us for defending against you 2 twice and then taking back what we lost later means the whole sub thing is dead and over with. After that, we had no problems, you have no case. If SNN was continously attacking the sub and threatening its very own members then i understand, until i see proof of that let me know. Kane asked me to lay off you, so i did. You can thank him for saving your so called "life"

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I've said it before and I'll say it again. The whole "Your sub isn't included" argument is FAIL. I really can't believe the entire other side is clinging to it. None of you have even bothered to admit that you might have been wrong on that.


You want me to break out the MSN NAP, cause i will, it will be long and it will be ungodly difficult to read. To sum it up, there was only 5 provisions to that NAP, which you can find in the SNN vs GIFT thread.

Your parable is correct, but fails to fit the situation that is layed before you. Come up with one that fits and let me know. Btw NR is not a sub or ally, your case there has no influence to SNN cause.

As a sub of course your going to support the main, its your job. The whole reason of being a sub. The simple fact that you claim yourself of being a sub, pretty much makes you useless as an alliance. All you do is become the mains meatshield and puppet. Of cource they show you how to play and be kind to you, cause thats what they want; they want your trust. Why fight when they can have someone else do it for them. You can't do a whole lot, but enough to say pester another while the main goes for the kill. All in all your not helping yourself and you will never be #1 with the main around. Even if you finish #2, you still lost, which is why subs are truly unimportant more of an annoyance to the rest of the server.

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And Skwrel? Why did you sign an NAP if you planned on provoking (your words) afterwards? What possible gain does that leave you? Was this whole thing a trap to screw Kevin over by forcing him to break his word to maintain his honor while you and yours aggravated things TECHNICALLY not included in the NAP? I don't think anyone but you cares about that...


Why I signed one you might ask? Its really simple. I needed time. Another reason is the fact i needed that time to lockdown Asia, as our saudi fight drew us away from it. Quite frankly we did a very nice job of it. GIFT didn't hardly get a dam single thing except for a network, but thats really all they wanted. We needed the conqs, source ops, and higher network out that way. Im playing strategically. Less GIFt has, more chance i have when the war was supose to break at tick 500. The provoking is part of the game, as long as i don't atatck GIFT directly im safe. As for kanes claims of which we did is only the meare fact of him cutting in front of us on Op's (which is a form of sniping), which was intentional from his side, so that arguement in itself is evidence that provoking was on both sides, making this agruement done and over with.

Like i said, this fight dredges way far back. We have our sides, neither wishes to budge. Me and Kane know what this is truly about. I don't expect you to understand. Kane will claim it will be under sore losership, but this goes beyond my losses to him this a fight between me and him and our allaince members are only getting in our way. Kane will be quick to dismiss it, but we both understand what each other wants. Which is the only thing i can respect kane for.

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 Post subject: Re: GIFT breaking NAP???
PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:39 pm 
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skwrel you could save yourself the whole afternoon enjoying the summer day instead of struggling to put together a coherent thought ... nobody really cares for your hurt feelings.. you lost big time, no hidden threats as to how you will come back big will not change that ... never had in the past and certainly will not now... we provided great show, you were no match... face it and move on...

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 Post subject: Re: GIFT breaking NAP???
PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:46 pm 
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Juno, your english is actually getting better :D Though after the first sentence, you got a bit "incoherent" :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: GIFT breaking NAP???
PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:02 pm 
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goody.. now it is your turn.. how is your slovene lately?

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goodluck camel and i will watch you play. im just watching this era, i dont have time to play like you do


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 Post subject: Re: GIFT breaking NAP???
PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:06 pm 
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skwrel wrote:
Dude, you have no idea whast really going on do you?

Why does everyone seem to think I don't know what's going on?

skwrel wrote:
Kane didn't set the NAP up correctly and hes pissed about it. As for us for defending against you 2 twice and then taking back what we lost later means the whole sub thing is dead and over with. After that, we had no problems, you have no case. If SNN was continously attacking the sub and threatening its very own members then i understand, until i see proof of that let me know. Kane asked me to lay off you, so i did. You can thank him for saving your so called "life"

I agree with you to some extent. From my perspective, you guys attacked us so I said "What the heck" and then you guys told us we were the ones who attacked first. Both sides have some problem there. Us for attacking, if that's the case. I only have your word for it, since we don't have an outgoing radar that alerts us if our allied alliances are under attack :(
Anyway, then you have the problem that instead of waiting, as I did after an ally attacks, you attacked right back and escalated the problem. Notice that I didn't randomly assault NR or SNN after they attacked me but waited upwards of 12-14 ticks for the appropriate authorities to get online and confirm the situation.

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You want me to break out the MSN NAP, cause i will, it will be long and it will be ungodly difficult to read. To sum it up, there was only 5 provisions to that NAP, which you can find in the SNN vs GIFT thread.

That won't be necessary, and frankly it's easy to forge msn... I mean if you really want an NAP to hold then why not jump on the forums after discussing it in MSN and make a master post in the appropriate forum? That will give everyone a 100% undeniable time frame and terms will be perfectly defined instead of all this willy nilly, He-Said She-Said crap. I'll make sure to do it myself in the future.

skwrel wrote:
Your parable is correct, but fails to fit the situation that is layed before you. Come up with one that fits and let me know. Btw NR is not a sub or ally, your case there has no influence to SNN cause.

Thanks!. And perhaps it doesn't fit the entire situation. It's the general idea concerning ONLY the sub-assault aspect of this occurrence. Everyone on the other side of the argument didn't seem to see things the way I did. I was hoping to remedy that with a rather black and white comparison scenario.

Cosmin1980 was the one talking about NR, which is why I continued the topic

skwrel wrote:
As a sub of course your going to support the main, its your job. The whole reason of being a sub. The simple fact that you claim yourself of being a sub, pretty much makes you useless as an alliance. All you do is become the mains meatshield and puppet. Of cource they show you how to play and be kind to you, cause thats what they want; they want your trust. Why fight when they can have someone else do it for them. You can't do a whole lot, but enough to say pester another while the main goes for the kill. All in all your not helping yourself and you will never be #1 with the main around. Even if you finish #2, you still lost, which is why subs are truly unimportant more of an annoyance to the rest of the server.

You hurt my feelings... You seem to have a really bad opinion of subs :( While I'm not yet the stellar player that make up a main alliance I feel I am a good team player for a Sub. You're right, they are teaching me things and I am learning, and in exchange I do things for them that they ask. What's your issue with this? Why are you so down on it? Would you rather everyone everywhere learn everything the hard way by remaining a conquer forever? That's pretty harsh and unrealistic :| Might as well expect all the world to lay over and let you win outright.
I lead an alliance in another world and use the lessons learned here, there. I think the role as sub alliance participant is beneficial and I think I am, in fact, helping myself by being a part of the team.

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Why I signed one you might ask? Its really simple. I needed time.
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Im playing strategically. Less GIFt has, more chance i have when the war was supose to break at tick 500. The provoking is part of the game, as long as i don't atatck GIFT directly im safe.
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provoking was on both sides, making this agruement done and over with.

Then I'm mystified at why you made such a big deal about everything on the forums? You're essentially saying that the NAP was a stop gap for your own gain and you had every reason to expect it to fall apart and you were pushing as much as you could without breaking, to bother GIFT while it was in place.

Well aren't you a son of a ....
It's one thing to suspect such. It's the other way around to have the other guy come out and admit that he's purposefully playing dirty... Whatever dude.

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Like i said, this fight dredges way far back. We have our sides, neither wishes to budge. Me and Kane know what this is truly about. I don't expect you to understand.

Whatever dude. If you say so :|

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