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 Post subject: Re: GIFT vs ASEN
PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:41 am 
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You keep saying dead units are a reason, when you did it first. If it's so bad home come you are off the hook? If it was accidental why were we not compensated? Sounds like a lie to me.

I wanted an official territory deal, but your leader kept putting it off, saying he'd get to it. Then you attacked. Clearly the war was premeditated because you thought we'd be easy prey, I was very surprised when he kept attacking even after he knew who he was fighting. I sort of half expected the attack, we were "random players" and the justification was so mind-bogglingly weak it just looked like a lame excuse to consolidate the eastern hemisphere. When he found out who we were and still attacked, well that just blew my mind.

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 Post subject: Re: GIFT vs ASEN
PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:38 am 
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You keep saying dead units are a reason, when you did it first. If it's so bad home come you are off the hook? If it was accidental why were we not compensated? Sounds like a lie to me.

I wanted an official territory deal, but your leader kept putting it off, saying he'd get to it. Then you attacked. Clearly the war was premeditated because you thought we'd be easy prey, I was very surprised when he kept attacking even after he knew who he was fighting. I sort of half expected the attack, we were "random players" and the justification was so mind-bogglingly weak it just looked like a lame excuse to consolidate the eastern hemisphere. When he found out who we were and still attacked, well that just blew my mind.


Of course dead units are a reason. I did it by mistake, and it was like 14 units or something like that, and that too spam. The compensation was, to stay out of UK which I did.

Secondly, dont play Lord Almighty. Yeah you might have played for a long time and all that, but what makes you think that just because you won wars in the past (and Ill give you that you probably are very good at it), that we should just pull back, tuck tail and run? Because you are KANE?!?!.

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 Post subject: Re: GIFT vs ASEN
PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:44 am 
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It was in the upper 50s actually, not 14, and certainly not spam, the foils of a selective memory.

Staying out of the UK is not compensation, you had 1 OP there and no conquers... there was no economic reason for you to be in the UK as we had all the conquers and there were no neutral OPs you could have taken. You couldn't have increased your presence in the UK if you wanted to (which you certainly did, hence the constant threats for us to leave) so you then demand we stay out of France? Laughable.

ASEN did not treat GIFT as a respectable alliance with respectable players, you treated us like crap by breaking the NAP with no justification and expected an easy victory. Saying I was Kane was simply letting your leader know that it was not going to be easy and that he should take the hint and stick to his agreement. I wasn't saying it as in "Flee! I can never be defeated, just surrender!", but more as "Yeah, that's not going to fly here buddy"

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 Post subject: Re: GIFT vs ASEN
PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:24 am 
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It was in the upper 50s actually, not 14, and certainly not spam, the foils of a selective memory.

Staying out of the UK is not compensation, you had 1 OP there and no conquers... there was no economic reason for you to be in the UK as we had all the conquers and there were no neutral OPs you could have taken. You couldn't have increased your presence in the UK if you wanted to (which you certainly did, hence the constant threats for us to leave) so you then demand we stay out of France? Laughable.

ASEN did not treat GIFT as a respectable alliance with respectable players, you treated us like crap by breaking the NAP with no justification and expected an easy victory. Saying I was Kane was simply letting your leader know that it was not going to be easy and that he should take the hint and stick to his agreement. I wasn't saying it as in "Flee! I can never be defeated, just surrender!", but more as "Yeah, that's not going to fly here buddy"


No, the losses were very minimal for the first time. Your kills were actually in the upper 70s overall. Screw the numbers anyway, the fact of the matter is, you guys responded with sniping stuff in France, killing our units in the process. The team in france were there for one reason, and one reason only. They were there to take conquers and crystals. Even i was there only for that reason, and it was very early in the round. When I saw that there crystals available in UK I went for it, and thats when it happened. Kafu asked me to stay out of UK so he could get his crystals, I obliged. I had plenty of conquers and so did my team in europe, but then you guys started taking crystals from them too. Thats when you started sniping us. And then you demand that we stay out of UK? Thats actually laughable.

I Still obliged. But your guys didnt have courtesy to even heed my request to stay out of france - Why? I killed 14 spam units. Actually you were the ones that wanted a confrontation. And the war clearly had a reason.

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 Post subject: Re: GIFT vs ASEN
PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:29 am 
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You stayed out of the UK because you lost the competition for the area, it wasn't your choice. Then we started out-farming you in France too, taking resource OPs you ignored and such.

When it was clear you couldn't win a friendly competition for crystals and conquers (we never purposely matched any of your ETAs, even after you killed a large number of Kafu's units), you decided your best option was to break our NAP over silly reasons and declare war.

You clearly don't know what a NAP is, or don't care if you break it, and instead of learning your lesson somehow you still manage to convince yourself of moral high ground. Strategy is about adapting, it would seem this concept is foreign to you.

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 Post subject: Re: GIFT vs ASEN
PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:47 am 
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Naah. We never lost any competition anywhere. We clearly had more conquers in Europe than you did (The only exception being the UK, and I stayed out once Kafu said these are our conquers). Infact if anyone lost any competition for conquers then it was you. And of course you had resource outposts that we didnt even attempt to take. And there was no competition there. We werent there for resource outposts.

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When it was clear you couldn't win a friendly competition for crystals and conquers (we never purposely matched any of your ETAs, even after you killed a large number of Kafu's units), you decided your best option was to break our NAP over silly reasons and declare war.


You purposefully did match ETAs. Thats a nice reason, that you think you didnt. But of course you did. Even after I informed Kafu that I am taking a crystal. There were no silly reasons for the war. They were all deliberate agressive moves from you.

As for breaking an NAP, you think you can have one if you keep killing your friendlies units? Matching ETAs? Even after I requested Kafu and told him to stand down on my conquer? I dont think you are even qualified to talk about anyone's views on morals. You clearly do not have any, and you solely ride on your reputation, and believe that you can somehow have your way, just because you think you are right.

And last of all, all of this BS because I took out some spam units accidentally. Your justifications, and reasons are laughable.

And I am done talking anyway. Reasons have been given, and clearly Gift is the agressor. If you fail to see reason, then its your problem. The war will continue, and whoever wins, wins.

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 Post subject: Re: GIFT vs ASEN
PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:53 am 
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There are opinions and there are facts, you ignore the facts. You killed far more than spam units, you were afraid you would lose the economic war so you needed to try to win militarily while we were still getting our bearings.

That's all, your justification is far too transparent for anything else.

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 Post subject: Re: GIFT vs ASEN
PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 2:42 pm 
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Gift was the aggressor?

Anyone with brains knows starting a war this early in the round is not a very smart move. Declaring war on an ally because we were beating you to crystals and conquers is silly and childish.

If you are going to continue to be this ignorant, I don't suggest posting too much on the forums. Facts always beat fiction.

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 Post subject: Re: GIFT vs ASEN
PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:09 pm 
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General_Patton wrote:
Gift was the aggressor?

Anyone with brains knows starting a war this early in the round is not a very smart move. Declaring war on an ally because we were beating you to crystals and conquers is silly and childish.

If you are going to continue to be this ignorant, I don't suggest posting too much on the forums. Facts always beat fiction.

I'm confused with this statement.We didn't do either but we are to blame.ASEN clearly stated on the ticker bar they declared war on GIFT


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 Post subject: Re: GIFT vs ASEN
PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:22 pm 
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This makes it ok to break a NAP? Just because you broadcasted it?

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