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 Post subject: Re: Championship Era Discussion Thread
PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:20 am 
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yozius wrote:
Temporary ban is unban?
lol
what a sense

here everything is inversed fss
cheaters

snowdog u didnt gave a single argument of what u say from page 1. considering ur age, seem u missed something in live. u need reborn



not only temporary. Kiriash was PERMANENT bann.
and he just send msg to admin:
"we are not multies, we are brothers who both play BD from same house. "

is this for real???
can we all get away for cheating if we just send that msg to admin?

i dont think so...

somethings is rotten in state of Danemark ...


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 Post subject: Re: Championship Era Discussion Thread
PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:34 am 
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BS lol whats wrong with BD ?

Cheaters getting space here everyday

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 Post subject: Re: Championship Era Discussion Thread
PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:38 am 
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SnOwDog could u please answer me few simple questions?

Do you really think it's fair game 2 accounts same IP same world? or was it 1 account 2 players?

Did you ever consider if this siblings exception is fair for the rest players?

Did you ever consider if rule, 1 account per IP should be a rule for all and no exceptions?

Did you ever consider how easy it is to move each other if u have that exception?

Did you ever consider the benefits of 2 accounts from same house on same world? Oups im jammed...lets go see from my brothers account what is going on....and much more....

Did you ever consider that siblings exception is legal cheating?

How can our BC community allow this?

I understand the need for siblings play same game...but why allow on same world?

I m not complaining for the specific one…I am taking the opportunity to discuss this with the rest of the BD community.

Would love to hear more opinions on the subject from other players too...serious ones..not trolling and bulling again if possible pls.

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 Post subject: Re: Championship Era Discussion Thread
PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:41 am 
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lazar1903 wrote:
again- cheating by siblings.
that is worst form of cheating, and BD allows it .
when that will stop?
letting 2 players in same house having 2 accounts so they can change shifts during day and 1 cover both accounts ... THAT is WORST form of cheating - LEGAL cheating with blessing of admins.
one picture of 2 players is enough for that permittion: you can even take some randome guys from facebook -this is rediculous !

ofcourse , one picture and lot of reds :)

this is sharade, this is making fair players look as fools .

siblings rule is pure cheating, and there is NO CONTROL for that .

well, there is hudreds of players in this CE, they should complain now or accept it .


Sorry to burst your bubble here, I've been holding my tongue for quite a while now on the forums, but this caught my attention and I have to set the record straight. This whole "siblings" thing you're raging about lazar, is happening on your own side as well. Did you know Sayan has a brother? I've talked with him multiple times and at the same time as Sayan none the less. Yet, both of them are here on the CE as well fighting for KCA/KCA coalition.

Now this is in NO way me stating that I am against this. Siblings should not be burdened simply because they are siblings, HOWEVER, I do understand that there is a lot of issues regarding this as you can never truly tell who is who when they log online. Therefore, account sharing is VERY hard to dispute. BUT with that being said, you should probably tone down on your rants regarding siblings playing as you have some in your own coalition. One of your most active players in your coalition in fact. So if you're going to kick and scream about a problem, you best be looking at it from both sides. Right now you're pointing fingers at PHIz for having two siblings play together, yet you have 2 in your coalition and I doubt you've been pointing the finger at them.

PHIz's incident was in regards to two separate alliances (PHIz and their sub) in which case the two siblings cannot coordinate their attacks together, which is the biggest concern regarding siblings.

Anywho, my main point here; stop blaming the admins for crap you only know half the facts about. The admins work hard here to keep things fair. In my honest opinion, if you want the admins to ban the PHIz member and his brother, then KCA's siblings should be banned as well should they log in via the same household (Please note: I'm not saying they should be banned, I'm saying this argument is ridiculous).

Now I truly do believe the sibling card is overplayed and overused, but I also understand the admins CANNOT do much about it. It is an unfortunate situation in which this game's play style happens to have issues. But when you find a game you like, who do you go to? Your friends and family to show them and hopefully get them involved as well. However, doing this puts EVERY player at a disadvantage rather than an advantage. If it's family, you cannot play the same world or at the same time without fingers being pointed. If it's a friend, you can no longer see them in real life as that would require one of you to be out of BD for an extended period of time and logging in at their house would result in a ban for same ip address.

The way in which BD works, it is harmful to bring in RL friends as it only gives potential for sullying your reputation. This is actually the very reason I do not ever invite my RL friends to play this game. Which when you truly think about it, is pretty horrible in itself. But now I can log in anywhere and not have to worry about being banned.

Truthfully, I'd much rather see 2 accounts on the world, at least they can be monitored in some shape and form. Think about how many have siblings or friends that they simply ASK them to log in for them to do something. 1 account, multiple users. There is no real way to catch or stop this. There will ALWAYS be cheating and cheaters will ALWAYS find a way to cheat. You can only hope for the players you face to have some honor and dignity and trust your team will be stronger

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 Post subject: Re: Championship Era Discussion Thread
PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:46 am 
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My friend Josh, If Sayan has the siblings exception...and Admins decide to keep the rules they impose, he should follow it too.

Rules are for all...not for some.

Questions is...since simbilings can not be controlled...and see 24/7 who is behind the screen...then why allowed? Allow play, restrict on same world...that would solve all issues...yes?

I have 2 brothers that are gamers but not BD fans...i can get them with 2 different accounts...they are real and there...should i use the benefit? i dont want to cheat so i dont do it. Please dont make me feel a fool i dont want to cheat.

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 Post subject: Re: Championship Era Discussion Thread
PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:48 am 
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Adms, don t complain if every player in KCA, SRB any alliance in CE even PHIz itself get siblings in this world.

Myself right now am taking a nice pic of my son to play CE and trying to get my husband too, but he refuses :D

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 Post subject: Re: Championship Era Discussion Thread
PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:56 am 
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malicewolf wrote:
lazar1903 wrote:
again- cheating by siblings.
that is worst form of cheating, and BD allows it .
when that will stop?
letting 2 players in same house having 2 accounts so they can change shifts during day and 1 cover both accounts ... THAT is WORST form of cheating - LEGAL cheating with blessing of admins.
one picture of 2 players is enough for that permittion: you can even take some randome guys from facebook -this is rediculous !

ofcourse , one picture and lot of reds :)

this is sharade, this is making fair players look as fools .

siblings rule is pure cheating, and there is NO CONTROL for that .

well, there is hudreds of players in this CE, they should complain now or accept it .


Sorry to burst your bubble here, I've been holding my tongue for quite a while now on the forums, but this caught my attention and I have to set the record straight. This whole "siblings" thing you're raging about lazar, is happening on your own side as well. Did you know Sayan has a brother? I've talked with him multiple times and at the same time as Sayan none the less. Yet, both of them are here on the CE as well fighting for KCA/KCA coalition.

Now this is in NO way me stating that I am against this. Siblings should not be burdened simply because they are siblings, HOWEVER, I do understand that there is a lot of issues regarding this as you can never truly tell who is who when they log online. Therefore, account sharing is VERY hard to dispute. BUT with that being said, you should probably tone down on your rants regarding siblings playing as you have some in your own coalition. One of your most active players in your coalition in fact. So if you're going to kick and scream about a problem, you best be looking at it from both sides. Right now you're pointing fingers at PHIz for having two siblings play together, yet you have 2 in your coalition and I doubt you've been pointing the finger at them.

PHIz's incident was in regards to two separate alliances (PHIz and their sub) in which case the two siblings cannot coordinate their attacks together, which is the biggest concern regarding siblings. Now this is the same case for KCA's coalition as one sibling is in KCA and the other in HINI, which there has been no doubt of their working together, but once again, separate alliances.

Anywho, my main point here; stop blaming the admins for crap you only know half the facts about. The admins work hard here to keep things fair. In my honest opinion, if you want the admins to ban the PHIz member and his brother, then KCA's siblings should be banned as well should they log in via the same household (Please note: I'm not saying they should be banned, I'm saying this argument is ridiculous).

Now I truly do believe the sibling card is overplayed and overused, but I also understand the admins CANNOT do much about it. It is an unfortunate situation in which this game's play style happens to have issues. But when you find a game you like, who do you go to? Your friends and family to show them and hopefully get them involved as well. However, doing this puts EVERY player at a disadvantage rather than an advantage. If it's family, you cannot play the same world or at the same time without fingers being pointed. If it's a friend, you can no longer see them in real life as that would require one of you to be out of BD for an extended period of time and logging in at their house would result in a ban for same ip address.

The way in which BD works, it is harmful to bring in RL friends as it only gives potential for sullying your reputation. This is actually the very reason I do not ever invite my RL friends to play this game. Which when you truly think about it, is pretty horrible in itself. But now I can log in anywhere and not have to worry about being banned.

Truthfully, I'd much rather see 2 accounts on the world, at least they can be monitored in some shape and form. Think about how many have siblings or friends that they simply ASK them to log in for them to do something. 1 account, multiple users. There is no real way to catch or stop this. There will ALWAYS be cheating and cheaters will ALWAYS find a way to cheat. You can only hope for the players you face to have some honor and dignity and trust your team will be stronger


Lmao Malice, u got hit at head? You know what are you speaking?

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 Post subject: Re: Championship Era Discussion Thread
PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:00 am 
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@ Malice

who told u all this? how u know? wich arguments u use?

Noone blaming any admin here. they was/are always doing good job and fun with us in game, and everyone know it.
u just adding a new trouble in forum...

we are discussing about rules that s already defined in past. so it s not admins fault. it s known, no need repeat it josh....

we wana a straight way in this game defined for all. so we know what we can do.


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 Post subject: Re: Championship Era Discussion Thread
PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:12 am 
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Ourania wrote:
My friend Josh, If Sayan has the siblings exception...and Admins decide to keep the rules they impose, he should follow it too.

Rules are for all...not for some.

Questions is...since simbilings can not be controlled...and see 24/7 who is behind the screen...then why allowed? Allow play, restrict on same world...that would solve all issues...yes?

I have 2 brothers that are gamers but not BD fans...i can get them with 2 different accounts...they are real and there...should i use the benefit? i dont want to cheat so i dont do it. Please dont make me feel a fool i dont want to cheat.


As I said before Rania, there is no good way to monitor this. Well, besides imposing on someone's basic rights and "big brother" them. Only way I could see it working is forcing known siblings to use webcam or something to affirm who it is logging on. And even that wouldn't be for sure. It would be easy to say "my computer doesn't have a camera" or "no microphone". And even worse, if we were to try to impose on people this way, it would only make it MUCH more likely that family members try to play on a single account. And then we have NO way of knowing unless the player were to out himself.

I'm very glad you do not use your siblings to your advantage. I have a sister myself who I doubt would like this game and I have MANY friends in RL who like strategy games. Yet, I have not asked any of them to play. I can only hope other's play as we do, and do not abuse the system. But as for siblings playing the game together, it's very hard to draw the line here. ESPECIALLY for the CE. How would you feel if one (or both) of your brothers DID play BD and they wanted to participate in the CE? What if one of them joined the CE before you and then told you that you couldn't play the CE because he was there? I'm pretty sure you would be fairly upset at the rule if this were to happen. Family and friends aren't always fair when it comes to your interests. Especially when it involves them giving up on their own interests. Yet, then you would seem the ungrateful friend or family member if you were to complain.

So as I do find the sibling issue to be a problem, I also don't see many ways of limiting it without issues occurring. For BD, this is unfortunately a lose lose situation for them. If they do what the community wants and bans family members, they will upset all the players in BD whom have family playing. However, not doing this (as we have just seen) is also causing quite the uproar as people are pointing fingers right now and blaming the admins who have their hands caught in a sticky situation that they can do little about.

The admins have to worry about the reputation of BD as well. While I don't approve of cheating, this is a grey area and once again, very hard to do anything about. I mean, half of the cheats that occur in the world are never even found out because there are too many ways to do it. Using remote computer access to avoid same IP address's, calling a friend who doesn't play BD to log in for you to make a quick move, rerouting your IP address, saying a multi is actually a friend or sibling, etc. The admins do the best they can with the information they have. It's the players manipulating the lack of available knowledge, yet we throw blame at the admins.

And I will state this as well as many have been misreading what I am trying to point out here. Don't point the finger at one incident when both sides could be at fault and even more so, don't go blaming the admin in place of this. I do NOT believe that Sayan and his brother are cheating in anyway, yet they are siblings playing on BD. As I have recently been informed, the player I mistook for Sayan's brother is not him and his brother is apparently absent from the CE in total. The point I am trying to make here is NOT that KCA is cheating. It's that if we're going to argue about family be an auto cheat, it should be looked at from BOTH sides and the admins should not be accused of pulling strings because of incidents where their hands are tied.

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 Post subject: Re: Championship Era Discussion Thread
PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:29 am 
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malicewolf wrote:
Ourania wrote:
My friend Josh, If Sayan has the siblings exception...and Admins decide to keep the rules they impose, he should follow it too.

Rules are for all...not for some.

Questions is...since simbilings can not be controlled...and see 24/7 who is behind the screen...then why allowed? Allow play, restrict on same world...that would solve all issues...yes?

I have 2 brothers that are gamers but not BD fans...i can get them with 2 different accounts...they are real and there...should i use the benefit? i dont want to cheat so i dont do it. Please dont make me feel a fool i dont want to cheat.




As I said before Rania, there is no good way to monitor this. Well, besides imposing on someone's basic rights and "big brother" them. Only way I could see it working is forcing known siblings to use webcam or something to affirm who it is logging on. And even that wouldn't be for sure. It would be easy to say "my computer doesn't have a camera" or "no microphone". And even worse, if we were to try to impose on people this way, it would only make it MUCH more likely that family members try to play on a single account. And then we have NO way of knowing unless the player were to out himself.

I'm very glad you do not use your siblings to your advantage. I have a sister myself who I doubt would like this game and I have MANY friends in RL who like strategy games. Yet, I have not asked any of them to play. I can only hope other's play as we do, and do not abuse the system. But as for siblings playing the game together, it's very hard to draw the line here. ESPECIALLY for the CE. How would you feel if one (or both) of your brothers DID play BD and they wanted to participate in the CE? What if one of them joined the CE before you and then told you that you couldn't play the CE because he was there? I'm pretty sure you would be fairly upset at the rule if this were to happen. Family and friends aren't always fair when it comes to your interests. Especially when it involves them giving up on their own interests. Yet, then you would seem the ungrateful friend or family member if you were to complain.

So as I do find the sibling issue to be a problem, I also don't see many ways of limiting it without issues occurring. For BD, this is unfortunately a lose lose situation for them. If they do what the community wants and bans family members, they will upset all the players in BD whom have family playing. However, not doing this (as we have just seen) is also causing quite the uproar as people are pointing fingers right now and blaming the admins who have their hands caught in a sticky situation that they can do little about.

The admins have to worry about the reputation of BD as well. While I don't approve of cheating, this is a grey area and once again, very hard to do anything about. I mean, half of the cheats that occur in the world are never even found out because there are too many ways to do it. Using remote computer access to avoid same IP address's, calling a friend who doesn't play BD to log in for you to make a quick move, rerouting your IP address, saying a multi is actually a friend or sibling, etc. The admins do the best they can with the information they have. It's the players manipulating the lack of available knowledge, yet we throw blame at the admins.

And I will state this as well as many have been misreading what I am trying to point out here. Don't point the finger at one incident when both sides could be at fault and even more so, don't go blaming the admin in place of this. I do NOT believe that Sayan and his brother are cheating in anyway, yet they are siblings playing on BD. As I have recently been informed, the player I mistook for Sayan's brother is not him and his brother is apparently absent from the CE in total. The point I am trying to make here is NOT that KCA is cheating. It's that if we're going to argue about family be an auto cheat, it should be looked at from BOTH sides and the admins should not be accused of pulling strings because of incidents where their hands are tied.



i have dog who want to play BD with me. he is very smart, and he want to make colony in E6 .
i have picture of him and me on computer, so if admin find some multie of me in E&, dont bann me, it is just my sibling dog.

you cant stop my dog to enjoy game with me, he will be sad and he then refuse to eat.

we promisse that we will not cheat, and we wil beheve , scouts honour .

my cat also wants to play BD, but i am afraid that admins will not trust to me on my word that cat can play BD . we all know that cats are sneaky and they like to cheat .


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