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 Post subject: Re: Championship Era Discussion Thread
PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:51 am 
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Ilona wrote:
Dear SoF and Goldenforce, what else do you need?
Players telling its a bug, me telling its a bug, Michael telling its a bug.....
Should I ask the pope for you? :lol:

Here is a picture. Maybe you believe it with this.


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Point taken there if that's how you gonna base it from there... if that is how you highlight or show us... if that is so, PLEASE REMOVE ALL OPS EXCEEDING EVER LIL CORNER OF THE MAP! as im seeing 100'S of it, ours or enemies or allies... FOR ALL I CARE! RELOCATE THOSE COLONIES WHO HAS MANAGE TO BUILD ONE ON A TINY ISLAND... as what you say and highlight... it "EXCEEDS" and thus touching water...

and @Gav, i cant be bothered arguing to a person whose mind is one sided... ur arguing about a difference of E:"3" cords... as what ilona said, wait till it restart, then we make sure to build an op, a map in every server is a template.. every coding is the same.. copy and paste, if CE has a bug, that goes for all Earth server.. Cordz are mer "estimation" what im pin pointing and what you are pin pointing are two different thing... the screen shoot below is currently pin pointing upper cordz... mine is pin pointing in the middle to be SPECIFIC! so don't give me that crap as i know what I'm saying here...SO, returning the favor, CHECK SPECIFICALLY WHAT YOU ARE CHECKING AND SEEING BEFORE MAKING A STUPIDITY HEROIC CLAIMS AT FORUMS!

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 Post subject: Re: Championship Era Discussion Thread
PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:31 am 
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PHIz players:

I can fully understand you are annoyed at this as you thought you had found a way to penetrate our defenses. However the simple truth is this way you had found was by abusing a bug, which is why only Mafia could plant and NONE of the other 9 could plant there. That should give you a small hint as to the legitimacy of that spot.

Furthermore, you are now trying to claim that it IS a legit spot because on other worlds people planted close to that exact spot. The reason we planted close was that we didn't want to make unbiased claims to Ilona, so we tried to plant it exactly in the spot you guys planted. As it turns out, that is impossible as that exact spot gives the error "too close to water".

Therefore it also has nothing to do with whatever "overlap" or "visual closeness" you are trying to bring into it, it is simple fact that the exact coordinates where you guys tried to plant are off-limits by the game, and can only be used by abusing a bug. Michael said it, Ilona said it, everyone who tried it said it. You can plant CLOSE to it, but then you would be getting too close to the other OPs there.

It simply is not a legitimate place to build an OP, there is no way around that. I really find it pathetic that you ARM guys are trying to find excuses for a loss to superior alliances by trying to blame it on "Oh, the admins are against us!". No, you are being beaten fair and square, and no amount of account sharing on your side, multies on your side, and bug abuse on your side is going to solve that problem for you.

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 Post subject: Re: Championship Era Discussion Thread
PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:45 am 
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Milanos wrote:
PHIz players:

I can fully understand you are annoyed at this as you thought you had found a way to penetrate our defenses. However the simple truth is this way you had found was by abusing a bug, which is why only Mafia could plant and NONE of the other 9 could plant there. That should give you a small hint as to the legitimacy of that spot.

Furthermore, you are now trying to claim that it IS a legit spot because on other worlds people planted close to that exact spot. The reason we planted close was that we didn't want to make unbiased claims to Ilona, so we tried to plant it exactly in the spot you guys planted. As it turns out, that is impossible as that exact spot gives the error "too close to water".

Therefore it also has nothing to do with whatever "overlap" or "visual closeness" you are trying to bring into it, it is simple fact that the exact coordinates where you guys tried to plant are off-limits by the game, and can only be used by abusing a bug. Michael said it, Ilona said it, everyone who tried it said it. You can plant CLOSE to it, but then you would be getting too close to the other OPs there.

It simply is not a legitimate place to build an OP, there is no way around that. I really find it pathetic that you ARM guys are trying to find excuses for a loss to superior alliances by trying to blame it on "Oh, the admins are against us!". No, you are being beaten fair and square, and no amount of account sharing on your side, multies on your side, and bug abuse on your side is going to solve that problem for you.


Yes leader of RC testing team.. what you say is what you say...so be it, nothing else can be done... your team and allies are very lucky enough to have you as their team/side to highlight every lil tiny thing since you know every possible bug... we thank you for that... but sorry, TECHNICALLY! WE have not "ABUSE" such bug op... as this is the first time... your accusing us with the word "ABUSE" meaning we have repeatedly or constantly have done it over and over which you guys SHUT UP! AND FINALLY GRAB THIS OPPORTUNITY! with a fair and square match... JOB WELL DONE!!

MOVE ON! WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND!! CARMA COMES AND GOES...RL, BD OR FANTASY....!

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 Post subject: Re: Championship Era Discussion Thread
PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:49 am 
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Looks like there are still some points unclear.

Fact is: you can't build there on a "normal" way. It would say: you can't build on water
Fact is also: There is an old bug in the game and a possibility to bypass it -> bug abuse

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2.2.5 Loopholes: You shall not attempt to manipulate or circumvent Services or use loopholes in them; furthermore, You shall report any loopholes or means for circumvention immediately to a Game Administrator.


So the whole question was: had the player the knowledge of bypassing the restriction not being able to build on water and did he use it a) intentionally or b) by coincidence

I decided that he hasn't done it with the purpose to cheat.

But still, he did something which is normally not possible.

So I had to decide if I just ignore it and let it go on, or removing the op, turning all units heading to this op and compensate for all Energy and oil spend with resources and even tokens.

(I said it already in a post before)

Honestly, I can't understand why the III alliance is at the moment the one complaining about my decision.
There was no harm done to them. No ban, nothing! They got "rewarded" instead of punished for abusing (intentionally or not) a loophole in the game.

Isn't it ironic?

I start to come to the conclusion that this is only attention-seeking by some persons.


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 Post subject: Re: Championship Era Discussion Thread
PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:07 am 
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SoF wrote:
Yes leader of RC testing team.. what you say is what you say...so be it, nothing else can be done...


Yes, I totally have full control over Ilona.. I mean, she always listen exactly to what I say! Like the dozens of times we have reported enemies that we were sure were account sharing and she didn't do anything about it because she didn't agree with me. Or the time when I reported 2 players in nubs (that were later indeed banned for account sharing) and instead while checking she banned one of our allies. Yes, I sometimes talk to Ilona but no, I do not have any misconceptions about who makes the decisions. I can only point out stuff that I think is cheating and then Ilona decides whether she acts on it. Exactly what you can do, as I am sure you have done many times in the past.

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your team and allies are very lucky enough to have you as their team/side to highlight every lil tiny thing since you know every possible bug...


Maybe I do not know every possible bug, but when I see potentially game-changing bug abuse, I report it. As everyone should. I believe it has literally been stated many times before that when you spot a bug or exploit you have to report it to the admin so that they can fix it. What is it now, we are being accused of following the rules and calling people out that are NOT doing so? Are you trying to turn the world upside-down?

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we thank you for that... but sorry, TECHNICALLY! WE have not "ABUSE" such bug op... as this is the first time... your accusing us with the word "ABUSE" meaning we have repeatedly or constantly have done it over and over which you guys SHUT UP! AND FINALLY GRAB THIS OPPORTUNITY! with a fair and square match... JOB WELL DONE!!


That reasoning is flawed. When someone beats their wife, I will call it abuse, regardless of whether it is the first time or the 50th time. There was a bug in the game, and you guys managed to exploit it. There is nothing that can be considered a judgment call here, there was a bug and it was exploited so the admin fixed it. What COULD be a judgment call would be whether Mafia did this on purpose or accidentally. Considering the fact you guys are claiming he was trying for days yes, I would think he did it on purpose and knew what he was doing. Add to that the fact you guys KNEW no one else could plant an OP there as apparently all of you tried and I feel quite certain in saying it was done on purpose. However, Ilona did not ban Mafia. So the one judgment call that could be made was made in your favor. On top of all this you guys got a load of resources and blues out of this for ABUSING a bug. Really, the fact that you are complaining now would be hilarious if it wasn't so annoying.

I will repeat this, ARM is losing this era. ARM does not like to show that they are losing and will apparently act like attention-seeking brats to find ANY reason at all for their loss that does not involve being outskilled, outplayed and beaten fairly. We have fought you on the open fields, we have fought your sub empire, we have been suicided upon, we have been outboosted, we have fought your multies and your account sharing that was always acted upon too late, and while doing all this we have also had to deal with KR come again.

It really isn't that often that I write pissed off posts on the forum, but this warrants it. I had respect for ARM and for the players in ARM, but each and every one of you posting on the forum and broadcasting has disappointed me.

You have been beaten in every single aspect of this game except for crying about unfairness, and I find it truly pathetic that you cannot take an honest loss with some dignity but have found a way to not only lose an era on which you went all out but also made a fool out of the name of ARM and a fool out of yourselves.

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 Post subject: Re: Championship Era Discussion Thread
PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:10 am 
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on behalf of all, THANK YOU ADMIN! for the patient and as always, the generosity support... sorry for what so ever...

thank you for the compensation... which i believe no one hasn't say such to you yet...but complain and complain and complain as always.... :mrgreen:

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SMILE!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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have a nice day ahead...

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 Post subject: Re: Championship Era Discussion Thread
PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:18 am 
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When the children scream and cry you stick a big lolipop in their mouth to shut them up.






sorry i couldn't resist :)

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 Post subject: Re: Championship Era Discussion Thread
PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:42 am 
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1 more thing, why are all of RDH members Minister of wars? Isnt that bug abuse, the leader is a Mod :shock:
He exploited a bug isnt that bannable?

This is kind of funny, its ok for mods to exploit bugs coz they will make a reason as to why they did it. And like i said if RDH found an illegal spot to plant an op to get to aussie then i think it would of been allowed.
And at Senatus, u claim llll side share accounts, bug abuse etc... But u fail to realize ur actions, ive seen u farm ur allies, friends and subs to get ur R5s. Both u and geen have been caught... But since it will cause an "uproar" nothing will be done.

Like dobby said, to stop a baby from crying stick a lolipop in its mouth.

BTW i think this CE should have different medals, so we can tell who won the 'cheat era' :)


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 Post subject: Re: Championship Era Discussion Thread
PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:45 am 
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Comet1 wrote:
And at Senatus, u claim llll side share accounts, bug abuse etc... But u fail to realize ur actions, ive seen u farm ur allies, friends and subs to get ur R5s. Both u and geen have been caught... But since it will cause an "uproar" nothing will be done.


Admins cant hurt their friends, there is so much love :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Championship Era Discussion Thread
PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:04 am 
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Milanos wrote:
You have been beaten in every single aspect of this game except for crying about unfairness, and I find it truly pathetic that you cannot take an honest loss with some dignity but have found a way to not only lose an era on which you went all out but also made a fool out of the name of ARM and a fool out of yourselves.


enough said.

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