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 Post subject: Re: Are you a citizen of the USA?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:12 pm 
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Tenkai wrote:
if Donald Trump is running for president next year im voting for him.he tells it like it is.

if i could vote id 2nd

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 Post subject: Re: Are you a citizen of the USA?
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Tenkai wrote:
if Donald Trump is running for president next year im voting for him.he tells it like it is.


yes because a huge business tycoon is exactly the kind of person we need to try and stop the country from going completely in the hands of big business

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 Post subject: Re: Are you a citizen of the USA?
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Yes, tenkai because we really need a narcissistic leader.

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 Post subject: Re: Are you a citizen of the USA?
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I am not a citizen of the US, and I did read some of the posts before, so can I comment? Atleast because I am from the world's largest democracy? Or should I say democrazy :D

Well, fellas, what I feel is there can really be no democracy. Today we live in a plutocracy, where the rich and the powerful can do anything they want and get away with it. No amount of voicing your opinion, or protesting will solve the problem. Elections are mostly a Joke. I have voted so far about 3 times here, and everytime guess the option I picked. I picked the "vote for noone" button on the voting machine. Yeah, India has a law, where you can vote for noone, so your vote is counted as being cast, just that its not considered toward anyone. The big corporations place candidates before you. You vote for someone you believe is good, but trust me, that guy has probably been picked by a corporate and they want you to believe whatever you think you believe in :D

And like Seth said, there has to be a mass movement. Fueled not by mob mentality, but by logic, reason and knowledge. But that is a long shot. Anything like that will be nipped in the bud :) Sadly of course.

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 Post subject: Re: Are you a citizen of the USA?
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The long shot doesnt exist in order for us to actually make a change in the government it would not be a peaceful change. Marxism doesn't exist it will never happen. The only way this would actually happen would be a series of civil wars of which we would have no military or monetary backing. I don't even think we have a long shot.

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 Post subject: Re: Are you a citizen of the USA?
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That could be true. That's my opinion too. I was just giving it an optimistic twist :)

Any form of propaganda doesn't exist in the true sense of the word. Communism, Capitalism or democracy for example - though they are different concepts.

Only dictatorships adhere to what they actually advocate :D

And as for civil wars, trust me they will take a religious, cultural, racist twist if it ever happens in America, god forbid. Every group will claim something. Its inherent human nature ;)

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Well, in my opinion the only way to have real democrazy is to do like Switzerland where its not the politicians who vote on laws and such, but the people, the government just run the country.

"Democracy is the right to elect your own dictator"

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Well, in my opinion the only way to have real democrazy is to do like Switzerland where its not the politicians who vote on laws and such, but the people, the government just run the country.

"Democracy is the right to elect your own dictator"


unfortunately until massive enhancements in over the internet communication and security so that ordinary people can do all of it online, only very small countries can have a direct democracy

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Well, its not impossible, but it would be very hard. But one thing that would be harder is to make politicians give up some of their power.

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 Post subject: Re: Are you a citizen of the USA?
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And as for civil wars, trust me they will take a religious, cultural, racist twist if it ever happens in America, god forbid. Every group will claim something. Its inherent human nature ;)


Oh yeah as soon as the government is overthrown, if it is ever. We would not be able to put a new government in place. You are completely right. Religion and race as troubling as it is would intervene and there would be disagreements. Not to mention if this civil war happened it would devastate not only the US but the world economy.

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