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 Post subject: Re: ABORTION
PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:27 am 
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cant have the best of both worlds, unless you suggest that a teenager should go through high school stresses of being ridiculed and tests while being 8 months pregnant? i think the miscarriages would do far more damage. if the baby does survive then you opt that it should be thrown into the system. how many get aborted each year? how much can the system hold?

My apologies for not understanding clearly.
Being ridiculed in school, personally, is far better than being depressed and killing oneself.
being ridiculed in school, unable to partake in usual sports or activities for 2 months, walking round with people knowing that you got knocked up at a young age. sure... that doesnt lead to depression and killing oneself, im pretty sure that other then 1 or 2 close friends, school would be particularly hostile.

Why does the pregnancy have to occur the same time as school? Take a break for a year or so, then go back. Public schools can't not accept a student.
unless you are the virgin mary, parents dont take well to teen pregnancy. and that year or two is absolutely wasted as somebody must look after the child. and those 2 years are another 2 years of work past the retirement age. those 2 years are 2 years of both education and career gains. showing irresponsibility in getting pregnant is not good on a resume. so parents wont take the brunt of the child rearing, they will help obviously, but the girl is the ultimate loser in the situation. she will have to live of government benefits and not sleep in order to balance child with own life.

And how dare you to say the system can't hold a child? You'd rather stop life then give the child an opportunity? That is what the system was designed to do. The government can always adapt to spacing. Eminent domain.
how many abortions happen per year? the current systems are already under strain, to fill it up with fresh babies is tantamount to relocate the current working, operationally efficient state homes on top of nuclear waste. if you want to destroy the system. HOORAH.

And how do you know for certain that unspecialized cells aren't life? Who are you to say that life doesn't begin at conception.
Oh, and yes, you shouldn't masturbate. :lol:
how do you know for certain that unspecialized cells are life? a zygote is merely 2 sets of chromosomes lining up and eating each other. if you define a mass of cells as life, then i shouldnt work out, as that damages and kills muscle cells. i shouldnt bleed as i bring red blood cells death sooner. i shouldnt live as that cycle results in cell death. and most importantly women shouldnt menstrate as that kills the foundation of life. the egg.

IMHO. fire is more alive then a mass of unspecialized cells.
or even the humble car.

there is a saying i use often in religious discussion boards, not here though. the burden of proof is with you. dont just drop the roe vs who cares case and say read. prove it.


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 Post subject: Re: ABORTION
PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:48 pm 
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"[color=#0000FF]unless you are the virgin mary, parents dont take well to teen pregnancy. and that year or two is absolutely wasted as somebody must look after the child. and those 2 years are another 2 years of work past the retirement age. those 2 years are 2 years of both education and career gains. showing irresponsibility in getting pregnant is not good on a resume. so parents wont take the brunt of the child rearing, they will help obviously, but the girl is the ultimate loser in the situation. she will have to live of government benefits and not sleep in order to balance child with own life.[/color]"

Why does the woman look after the child? The system is still available. I know you say the system is strained, which it is. But it can still grow. Why do the home have to be relocated upon nuclear waste?
If it is irresponsibility that got the girl pregnant in the first place, then she must take accountability for her actions. Rape however, does not have to go on a resume. Why do parents not help more?

"[color=#0000FF]being ridiculed in school, unable to partake in usual sports or activities for 2 months, walking round with people knowing that you got knocked up at a young age. sure... that doesnt lead to depression and killing oneself, im pretty sure that other then 1 or 2 close friends, school would be particularly hostile[/color]."

Why go back to the same school? Star over. That isn't a bad thing.

Now, lets say, for a minute, that these cells aren't human life. By destroying them, you are still committing murder. Those specific cells were produced to become a human body. By stopping this process, you then stop the evolution of life. Which in another view, is still murder.


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 Post subject: Re: ABORTION
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"[color=#0000FF]unless you are the virgin mary, parents dont take well to teen pregnancy. and that year or two is absolutely wasted as somebody must look after the child. and those 2 years are another 2 years of work past the retirement age. those 2 years are 2 years of both education and career gains. showing irresponsibility in getting pregnant is not good on a resume. so parents wont take the brunt of the child rearing, they will help obviously, but the girl is the ultimate loser in the situation. she will have to live of government benefits and not sleep in order to balance child with own life.[/color]"

Why does the woman look after the child? The system is still available. I know you say the system is strained, which it is. But it can still grow.

where is the money going to come from? these disadvantaged kids are more liekly to end up on the dole. who is going to foot such a bill? are we gonna hike up taxes? or cut the funding from education or health?

Why do the home have to be relocated upon nuclear waste?

if the system is understrain, if you put more load, its basically the same as feeding the children nuclear waste. their facilities available become 0.

If it is irresponsibility that got the girl pregnant in the first place, then she must take accountability for her actions.

and the male?

*CENSORED* however, does not have to go on a resume.

what does go on the resume is the fact she dropped OUT OF school and is ultimately 2 years behind in career and education.

Why do parents not help more?

some do, others might let the load be on the girl to teach her a life lesson about irresponsibility. im just saying that the parents shouldnt be relied on to be day care centers.

"[color=#0000FF]being ridiculed in school, unable to partake in usual sports or activities for 2 months, walking round with people knowing that you got knocked up at a young age. sure... that doesnt lead to depression and killing oneself, im pretty sure that other then 1 or 2 close friends, school would be particularly hostile[/color]."

Why go back to the same school? Star over. That isn't a bad thing.

it is, people know you are 2 years older then them. if someone finds out that you flunked school because you got preggers, well their life wont be so fun at the new school will it?

Now, lets say, for a minute, that these cells aren't human life. By destroying them, you are still committing murder. Those specific cells were produced to become a human body. By stopping this process, you then stop the evolution of life. Which in another view, is still murder.

everytime a woman ovulates, an egg is moved into the womb, every time a woman menstrates they flush the egg out. they stop a possible life therefore periods=murder?

everytime a person dies without donating their organs = murder?

possible life isnt life now is it?



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 Post subject: Re: ABORTION
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mrducky wrote:
Maximillian wrote:
mrducky wrote:
"[color=#0000FF]unless you are the virgin mary, parents dont take well to teen pregnancy. and that year or two is absolutely wasted as somebody must look after the child. and those 2 years are another 2 years of work past the retirement age. those 2 years are 2 years of both education and career gains. showing irresponsibility in getting pregnant is not good on a resume. so parents wont take the brunt of the child rearing, they will help obviously, but the girl is the ultimate loser in the situation. she will have to live of government benefits and not sleep in order to balance child with own life.[/color]"

Why does the woman look after the child? The system is still available. I know you say the system is strained, which it is. But it can still grow.

where is the money going to come from? these disadvantaged kids are more liekly to end up on the dole. who is going to foot such a bill? are we gonna hike up taxes? or cut the funding from education or health?

Why do the home have to be relocated upon nuclear waste?

if the system is understrain, if you put more load, its basically the same as feeding the children nuclear waste. their facilities available become 0.

If it is irresponsibility that got the girl pregnant in the first place, then she must take accountability for her actions.

and the male?

*CENSORED* however, does not have to go on a resume.

what does go on the resume is the fact she dropped OUT OF school and is ultimately 2 years behind in career and education.

Why do parents not help more?

some do, others might let the load be on the girl to teach her a life lesson about irresponsibility. im just saying that the parents shouldnt be relied on to be day care centers.

"[color=#0000FF]being ridiculed in school, unable to partake in usual sports or activities for 2 months, walking round with people knowing that you got knocked up at a young age. sure... that doesnt lead to depression and killing oneself, im pretty sure that other then 1 or 2 close friends, school would be particularly hostile[/color]."

Why go back to the same school? Star over. That isn't a bad thing.

it is, people know you are 2 years older then them. if someone finds out that you flunked school because you got preggers, well their life wont be so fun at the new school will it?

Now, lets say, for a minute, that these cells aren't human life. By destroying them, you are still committing murder. Those specific cells were produced to become a human body. By stopping this process, you then stop the evolution of life. Which in another view, is still murder.

everytime a woman ovulates, an egg is moved into the womb, every time a woman menstrates they flush the egg out. they stop a possible life therefore periods=murder?

everytime a person dies without donating their organs = murder?

possible life isnt life now is it?



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Okay. The Obama administration is practically turning the United States into a socialism, so money is government controlled. Not a problem. Taxes are already being hiked.
The male should take it upon himself to help. If he doesn't, then the woman should be the better person and raise the child or put them up for adoption.
The two years can be made up for. If we are talking about part-time job applications, then it is the decision of the woman to have more stress from a job.
As I have said many times before, the stress of starting over with a new school is better then extreme depression. Why, also, does everyone know you are two years older or got pregnant? Did the girl publicly declare, "I'm two years older than all of year and I was pregnant." ???
Those eggs were not connected with a sperm. When the sperm and egg connect, then the process of becoming human begins.
By the way, murder is defined as one human killing another. Nature has no laws.


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 Post subject: Re: ABORTION
PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 11:12 pm 
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Okay. The Obama administration is practically turning the United States into a socialism, so money is government controlled. Not a problem. Taxes are already being hiked.

are you willing for a hike on top of a hike? will the feminists be happy with paying extra while having less rights? will the system cope even with more funding? there are many things to consider with what you are suggesting.

The male should take it upon himself to help. If he doesn't, then the woman should be the better person and raise the child or put them up for adoption.

bahahahaha, if i showed this to a chick i know, she would rip you to shreds. "the male should take it upon himself to help" XD not once did you mention legal child support which has to be given and is bound by the law.
instead, its a males choice and the females burden.


The two years can be made up for. If we are talking about part-time job applications, then it is the decision of the woman to have more stress from a job.
As I have said many times before, the stress of starting over with a new school is better then extreme depression.
Why, also, does everyone know you are two years older or got pregnant? Did the girl publicly declare, "I'm two years older than all of year and I was pregnant." ???

no public birthdays unless you want to lie to everyone. cant have many friends who could get closer to you. if age is revealed, and people know girls give up 2 years of schooling to give birth to a child. butterfly effect.
if the woman wants to look after the child, then part time work is inevitable.
you seem to be confused as to the source of depression. 1/5 people have depression in some point in their lives. this includes men who dont necessarily get pregnant.
to start 2 years later, to be found out and potentially ridiculed could result in depression. the whole process of giving up ones child to someone else could spark depression. the removal of some cells in the womb could spark depression but i dont think it would be as likely as giving away your child.


Those eggs were not connected with a sperm. When the sperm and egg connect, then the process of becoming human begins.
By the way, murder is defined as one human killing another. Nature has no laws.

but before the sperm and the egg connect, the progress of life has begun, it might not be a zygote but to deny the egg cell a chance is murder by your definition. a bundle of unspecialized stem cells isnt a human, it isnt a anything. no consciouness, no figure, no resemblence, no organs, no thought, nothing that could relate it to a human more then some sperm. nature has no laws, but civilisation and society govern some laws to obtain.... civilisation and society. if you dont want civilisation and society then you have nature :3

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to all that say it's the womans responsibilety for getting pregnant it's like saying (taking extreme point) it's your fault to be hit in the testicles and stralysed(or how ever writen) while playing footbal, your gf leave you because you can't have a baby with her (extreme), both times it wassen't planed for it to happend and it wassen't what they tried to do, both might end in them losing the love of their life, yes i know i took it to the extreme, but it's to show how stupid it sound that it's her responebilety..

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to all that say it's the womans responsibilety for getting pregnant it's like saying (taking extreme point) it's your fault to be hit in the testicles and stralysed(or how ever writen) while playing footbal, your gf leave you because you can't have a baby with her (extreme), both times it wassen't planed for it to happend and it wassen't what they tried to do, both might end in them losing the love of their life, yes i know i took it to the extreme, but it's to show how stupid it sound that it's her responebilety..


Are you saying that having sex on her own free will isn't her responsibility either? You are right that she does not have to take responsibility when [email protected] has occurred. She still put the child up for adoption.


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are you willing for a hike on top of a hike? will the feminists be happy with paying extra while having less rights? will the system cope even with more funding? there are many things to consider with what you are suggesting.

I'm not happy to pay taxes (city employee), but I still do. The government has instituted a socialistic style to America. No, I don't like, but I must.


bahahahaha, if i showed this to a chick i know, she would rip you to shreds. "the male should take it upon himself to help" XD not once did you mention legal child support which has to be given and is bound by the law.
instead, its a males choice and the females burden.


I'm sure the chick would kill me. I'm practically hated at school for it. My apologies for not mentioning the law. It is the law to raise the child, or help put it up for adoption. If neither the male nor the female wish to raise a child, then they should put it up for adoption.


no public birthdays unless you want to lie to everyone. cant have many friends who could get closer to you. if age is revealed, and people know girls give up 2 years of schooling to give birth to a child. butterfly effect.
if the woman wants to look after the child, then part time work is inevitable.
you seem to be confused as to the source of depression. 1/5 people have depression in some point in their lives. this includes men who dont necessarily get pregnant.
to start 2 years later, to be found out and potentially ridiculed could result in depression. the whole process of giving up ones child to someone else could spark depression. the removal of some cells in the womb could spark depression but i dont think it would be as likely as giving away your child.


As much as I don't want to admit it, lying has become a natural part of social life in the world.
I know the source of depression. True many people do get it. Abortion only increases it. And if you never had or will have depression, then abort you child, you will get depression.
As much as you hate it, some do believe that those cells are human life. Killing them would tear them apart.


but before the sperm and the egg connect, the progress of life has begun, it might not be a zygote but to deny the egg cell a chance is murder by your definition. a bundle of unspecialized stem cells isnt a human, it isnt a anything. no consciouness, no figure, no resemblence, no organs, no thought, nothing that could relate it to a human more then some sperm. nature has no laws, but civilisation and society govern some laws to obtain.... civilisation and society. if you dont want civilisation and society then you have nature :3
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You probably already figured this out, but I also don't believe in birth control, which as you have stated, is murder.
Civilization and society govern laws to obtain order. With out these you get anarchy. Nature is always present, whether with laws or not.


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to all that say it's the womans responsibilety for getting pregnant it's like saying (taking extreme point) it's your fault to be hit in the testicles and stralysed(or how ever writen) while playing footbal, your gf leave you because you can't have a baby with her (extreme), both times it wassen't planed for it to happend and it wassen't what they tried to do, both might end in them losing the love of their life, yes i know i took it to the extreme, but it's to show how stupid it sound that it's her responebilety..


Are you saying that having sex on her own free will isn't her responsibility either? You are right that she does not have to take responsibility when [email protected] has occurred. She still put the child up for adoption.

you state all the time how she shouldnt deal with such responsibilty. yet, carrying a rape child will leave incredible psychological scars on her. giving birth although is unlikely to cause her death CAN HAPPEn. and tearing happens at birth too. hmmm not pleasant imagery is that. tearing... tearing...

all this just to appease you who doesnt have to deal with any of the trauma.

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You probably already figured this out, but I also don't believe in birth control, which as you have stated, is murder.
Civilization and society govern laws to obtain order. With out these you get anarchy. Nature is always present, whether with laws or not.

i meant menstrations. periods. natural periods that occur to all women.

birth control does the same as the natural thing but with the pill its a constant rate.
i dont get the rest of the nature thing.

condoms prevent STDs. you may be pro life, are you pro AIDS?

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to all that say it's the womans responsibilety for getting pregnant it's like saying (taking extreme point) it's your fault to be hit in the testicles and stralysed(or how ever writen) while playing footbal, your gf leave you because you can't have a baby with her (extreme), both times it wassen't planed for it to happend and it wassen't what they tried to do, both might end in them losing the love of their life, yes i know i took it to the extreme, but it's to show how stupid it sound that it's her responebilety..


Are you saying that having sex on her own free will isn't her responsibility either? You are right that she does not have to take responsibility when [email protected] has occurred. She still put the child up for adoption.


nope, never said it wasen't by free will, but this is under the circumstances that she tried birth control but things didn't go as planed.

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