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simmen · **Posted:** Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:39 pm

7thUmbra wrote:

Seth wrote:

It seems we have people pretty well split on the fence here.

I think we will see over time, how the game is affected. If things prove us wrong historically, so be it.

It is the very reasoning we are using for this change. While we thought it would help non boosters and help bolster competition through these means, historically this has proven to be the opposite of the result. All we have done is concentrated more power around the same amount of players because they no longer compete with eachother so much as they shut most other players out.

Please understand that this is not a decision we made lightly.

the reason there is no competition is because this isnt even a game anymore
its an AUCTION
boosting players r literally able to buy the era
i've said it many times and i'll say it again battledawn IS DIEING and will not last beyond 2016 at BEST

no matter how much skill and advanced tactics i have i am fully handicapped by limited resource while boosters do not have such handicap

I see someone haven't been playing long because he'd know that
1. Doomsday prophesies have been here since the start of the game, none have been right so far!
2. That in the old client, there were no limits to how much you could buy, back then you could complain about unlimited resources, but now? No.. It's not unlimited, the cooldowns are there for a reason.

The gap can be filled with conquers, crystals, resource outposts and outposts.. but you will have to be good to do it.

RunnerChase · **Posted:** Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:41 pm

@op , I like the decision to only reward the *winners* of the erra , like it used to be .. thanks adm's , good call

simmen · **Posted:** Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:41 pm

abeyant wrote:

@ All admins - You are telling us to go with this to trust your judgement. Then why can't we trust your judgement to pass out blues to those teams that deserve it? That would solve the issue right there. I trust you to not be biased in handing out blues to the teams to deserve it. It is only you who do not trust your own judgement.

Because this would be equal on all, us handing out tokens would not be.. t would also directly influence the era (if you mean to hand them out as na alliance dies, or does admin have to keep tabs on evey alliance troughout the era that fights?)

Ilona · **Posted:** Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:42 pm

I'd like to mention that whatever change we do:

IT WILL BE FOR FUTURE ERAS and won't affect the current ones :roll:

Others than that, I'll watch this thread without giving my own opinion.
Please continue ...

ezbolah · **Joined:** Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:22 am **Posts:** 65

ok here is a thought

until now i have seen a lot of red boosters who were kind of ignored when braking the rules
if you take away the advantage a smart person with smaller pockets from geting blues and add the allready insane advantages red boosters allready gain from paying reds to other players for colony farming, op farming, experience farming ( and don't anyone tell me this ain't happening ) whithout geting baned then why would simple players try to play when they get nothing to compete with ?
i never had more then one username - i think that using more usernames with the intent to earn more blues the easy way isn't in the spirit of the game
also don't think that large alliances are made this way - you all look at alliances that win and have 5 subs as the enemy of this game but have you ever thought of seeing the activity of the so called subs ?
everyone in the game is free to take whatever name they want if it is friendly sub or enemy ... but not all play actively
also there are allready sides and alliances merging over and over again so every big alliance has his own problems - like spys and dead weights
i for one play in a big family and i can tell you to win an era i have to be active about 18 hours a day and have my cell phone open 24/7
you think we are not fighting enough allready ?
give more power to the booster and you will have noone playing at all
i have seen more cheating from the big pockets then ever because they allready get a step in front - better to play fair if you wanna see a competition and make it really fair for all
allready bd world has changed with the introduction of the stupid medals - everyone wants one and is ready to even kill someone in real life to get one so from greedyness why would you guys want to turn this game to a bought game i can't think of
remember the boosters will only pay reds to get into the competition when even the weak one has a chance by geting the blues - if you give blues just to red boosters you will have nothing left

Kerss · **Joined:** Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:34 pm **Posts:** 159

love it!! hope this actually works.. id love for bd to go back the way it used to be

aister · **Posted:** Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:45 pm

abeyant wrote:

@ All admins - You are telling us to go with this to trust your judgement. Then why can't we trust your judgement to pass out blues to those teams that deserve it? That would solve the issue right there. I trust you to not be biased in handing out blues to the teams to deserve it. It is only you who do not trust your own judgement.

even without doing this, there are people who said admins are biased, and overlook a cheater cuz he boosts a lot. Even when they have nothing to do with how it turned out.

relics released near their territory, OMG ADMIN IS BIASED
wreckages that usually spawned randomly, spawned right next to someone, OMG ADMIN IS BIASED
someone got banned, OMG ADMIN IS BIASED
someone attacked u when u're asleep, OMG ADMIN MUST HAVE HELPED HIM TO SEE WHEN I GO OFFLINE.

to the point that we can already see how this would turn out if it was implemented

malicewolf · **Joined:** Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:02 pm **Posts:** 1622

simmen wrote:

malicewolf wrote:

Come now simsy, didn't you read my whole argument?

I still agree with rank 1 alliance only gets rewarded. I'm saying, we should still give incentive for those who can't reach rank 1, to continue striving for something. I was suggesting that we reward individuals for their hard work throughout the round by increasing the individual player's who get rewarded to the top 25 (or whatever we feel is fair). Since the alliance reward seems to be so low, the extra incentive through the individual rank I feel will make up for this. Hell, now that I think about it, why not split it by every 5 ranks, so then there is inner strife in a single alliance to try being a higher individual ranking.
1-5: 1000 blues
6-10: 750 blues (now ranks 4-7 within 1 alliance will most likely be fighting each other to get a higher individual rank).
11-20: 500 blues
20:25: 250 blues

Sorry, trying to answer 500 messages here! (Also, get on skype!)

And I kinda agree that there should be some other sources for blue tokens to fill the hole. But, I don't think those ways should be settling for a rank, that be alliance rank or personal rank.

Oh yea, you haven't played with me in a bit lol. I can't access skype at work. No skype on my work computer and can't download it. And skype KILLS my data on my phone, so I only hop on when necessary.

As for settling, I don't think rewarding individual ranking players up to rank 25 is settling at all. It means you most likely have a spread of individuals between alliance ranks 1-5 still getting a reward for their activity during the era. Hence, dealing with everyone's current complaints about non-boosters getting any reward. If they earn it, then they earn it. It's pretty hard to BS your way into the top 25 I would say. And even if you do, the reward payout isn't so huge either. You would need to get into the top 25 in a few eras to gain enough blues to have a "serious era" according to the non-boosters here.

Seth wrote:

I understand your concern. I see your side, but I dont think anyone here is pausing to see things from our perspective.

While you would think that when we expanded rewards, it would help the non,paying players. When in fact, all it has done was serve to unite more teams of paying players to shut out more non paying players.

Please have just a little faith that we are more than money grubbing trolls out to raid your wallet. This is a decision that was a long time coming. It comes from contemplating the changes in the game that have occured since the YEARS that we implimented them.

Very well said Seth ^^
The funny thing is, most of the rank 2 and 3 alliances are compromised of a good amount of boosters as well. Usually, only being a small amount of non-boosters gaining any rewards as it currently is.

Seth · **Posted:** Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:45 pm

One more thing I dont think anyone added in here.

This is a reward "standard". This means that it is a basis. This is what you can count on 100% every era. That is not to say that admins do not have freedom of decision over the end results of an era. Us admins do our best to ensure action and entertainment in an era, and rewards are but a tool in the arsenal.

This freedom applies especially to custom worlds, where we intend to try other win reward alternatives as time goes on.

The end game here is to offer balance for all players. I know it doesn't seem that way now, but it is but a step in the right direction. It is often lamented that BD should go back in the direction it came. In some respects, we agree.

Angelwings1279 · **Joined:** Wed May 22, 2013 9:59 pm **Posts:** 14

As a newer player to battledawn....I will say the idea of blue tokens and winning even 5th place on F5 and getting 500 tokens was an absolute joy for me.....I think newer players need a chance to feel rewarded somehow....getting into a top alliance as a newbie is extremely difficult....especially a number 1 alliance....I played months before I got my first place alliance win....so that being said...since there is going to be not as many blue tokens given out on each era....what about maybe placing more blues tokens in wreckages....newbies and non boosters alike often have just as equal of a chance at getting wreckages as boosters.....and therefore people who can't afford red tokens or newbies who just want to feel rewarded for their efforts even if they have no chance at playing in top alliance and getting #1 can still have a chance at getting blues besides voting.

No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance!