people like qwerdyshag are the people that make me lose hope in humanity....
then theres the guys like the one in the second video that give me my hope back

I believe there is or was some supreme power (a god?) that created the universe but whether it is around now

thats what im not sure about

Its upto you you wanna believe or not...

its just trusts theat matters... if you think someone is always looking over you and wishing well of you , you will do good and all...

As they say... it doesnt hurt to trust...

I m against extreme religious.... like and all... its all abt trusts...
Ancensors treated, sun, stars, sky, water and air as god... cause they were vital for their survival...
Its just using God ... for cursing isnt good... or just for blaming...

it something gone rit... well it was the trust..
and if doesnt perhaps i was nt good enough...

Shortest way to say it for me: There's a larger chance of the Loch Ness monster, UFOs, huge krakens, mammoths and sabre tooth tigers ALL colliding and having a fight to the death than the chance of God existing. Why? Because the Loch Ness monster is possibly a plesiosaurus, because since there is life on this earth and the universe is incredibly big there is the possibility of more intelligent life, there is always the possibility of a squid mutating or humans artificially mutating squids. We have DNA from mammoths and sabre tooth tigers and seeing our advancements in genetic engineering we will someday be able to bring these back to life.

As for God, there has never been proof for a God, there is no way to scientifically create a God, and no one has ever seen a God or anything that remotely resembles it.

Ace Soldier, lay off the slogans and try forming logical and coherant arguments, heck, who knows, you might even sound intelligent for a while.

mfreak has it spot on, representing the christian side of this debate, ace soldier is performing dismally relying not on intellect but on rhetoric, on slogans that he has chanted ever so many thousands of times.

theists (mostly christian theists here), you need to understand that while hell, satan, god's wrath, god's judgement may scare you, may seem very real to you. atheists dont believe in any of it. while this may be hard to understand let me put it this way. do you fear zeus because he might smite you with his lightning bolt? do you fear loki, the trickster who will play a pivotal part in ragnarok and lead you astray? (LOLOLOL SATAN COPIED FROM LOKI)
no?
exactly.
as an atheist, i cant represent all atheists just as you, as a christian, as a muslim, as a nordic heathen, cannot represent all theists. but i can tell you this. satan, god's wrath, hell, etc. do not work well in terms of fear mongering. it might work on children. scaring children is easy, but for me, you need to provide substance, something beyond the mere rhetoric and bible quote. something that can logically and rationally appeal and persuade. because i assure you, emotionally, you arent scaring me anymore then my warning that zeus is gonna thunderbolt you is going to scare you.

can someone take over for ace solder or can ace soldier take a course is philosophy-> theology so that he can actually defend his position as opposed to merely divert his position.

btw, somewhere in discussion and debates is possibly the longest 1 vs 1 discussion regarding theology. its between me and this person i forgot since it was years ago. its incredibly indepth but i feel its more enlightening than
"ILL PRAY FOR YOU BRO, No, stop now, i dont want to hear your reasoning, ill pray for you bro, end of discussion"

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final note:
for a discussion and debates board, this thread contains very little of either.

I am atheist and i believe the world was created by the big bang theory. Of course it is just a `theory´ but there is hard evidence supporting this. E.g. The red shift in the spectrum of the materials of different galaxies show that we are still expanding and the hubble telescope has taken pictures from far enough away that it is basically taken from millions of years ago showing how the universe is created.

So yes, big bang theory.

Location: Under a rock Patric ..... is that you?



bac to topic ... umm God ..

Let's try define it

IMO in the eyes of belivers: God is someone who created this world and is in another dimension knowing what we did, do and will do and guides/protects us in our every step.
He loves us all and dont want to cause us any suffering but he gave us free will to belive or not to belive in him and those who dont shall burn in hell witch he did not create but knew that will be created some day when lucifer will betray him

In my point of view: Gid is an unexistent immaginary friend that has existed in many cultures starting from beliving trees/rocks/mountains/volcanos/weather having a soul or a personality witch you could contact them so people made dramatic sacrifaces offering greatest of theil wealths Sometimes even lives (while i'm sure of someone were who stole them perioticly cause the goods didt just disapear now did they)
people dislike living in unknowing something so making a folklore about world creation seemed natural and one guy though oh let's do it, let's talk of a story about a giant being called Zeus so they did .. bu they failed cause they put their home on this planet ... so as soon the tip of Olympus was explored thousands of people suicided cause of what they thougt was true turned out to be false ...

The god what we speak of is christian god so the thing with him is that first he lived in the sy in top of the clouds watching us and having angels with wings to fly up and down from the edges of the clouds...

as soon as we invented airplanes then the talk changed... "Oh he lives in the other dimension unknown to man"
well yea ... if he wants to be with us so bad why is he escaping from us...

if he is the cause of all things why is there things called War and Hell if you say it's our free will of those things happening then i say God gave them to us while knowing what will hapen ... he hates violence and suffering.. why are there such things then?


next thing is called the sin war ... the war between the Heaven and Hell where Demons and Angels are fighing eachother throught human behavior ...

may i ask wtf ...
you cant tell that you were posessed by demon and now you acted bad now can you ?
and if god knew you'll kill/hurt someone why he wouldnt protect him/her from it ... same goes with abotrion .. why has the child suffer because of nothing ... accorfing to bible a child is sinless until the age of 4-7 (not sure about the limit but it exists) so why without no sin they died cuase of nothing...

i know the life here on planet earth is called the into to much more
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(Mortal Life on planet earth) | (ethernal life in heaven/hell)

so basicly i think that the teachings of church is just a memo to all people

"Dont do bad things cause you'll be punished BY THE GOD if you do bad things"

from the beginning of the ages the security has been bad and if you had a bit more strenght than your victim you could do whatever you want to them (Steal/kill/R2pe) it even counts in todays society but now we live in larger groups and it's harder to get away with it

meh i dont feel like keeping you reading so yeaaa ... answer me and Peace out !