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srimann · **Posted:** Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:25 am

sparta23 wrote:

Dont like it. Not everybody boosts lots of reds, and a lot of players need those 2nd and third place blues to be competitive on other eras and boost. I think getting ride of third place may be good, but eliminating second is a bad idea.

agree

thedunya · **Joined:** Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:39 pm **Posts:** 2

Ilona wrote:

This is only the discussion thread. Main thread can be found here

Please state your opinions!

agreed very good idea. this make game instrested

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TOOLAD · **Posted:** Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:27 pm

Yeah, like Talyn said, make it more intersting. Seth's F4 and M2 make me wanna play just because of all the shinies

maybe do that on more worlds or maybe do lots of xtals on garrisons or relics. this whole 10 xtals on a relic can be very saddening to see. heck maybe even increase the amount of relics per world. i dunno. but i know i have never worried about tokens for winning

i jsut like palying the game. is that not what games were about? How many of you started playing this game only because you wanted things called "blue tokens". no u started playing because this looked interesting and it still is

you dont need tokens to play, they just gives some people an advantage

be more active then them and the amount of tokens they have wont be a problem

Mitsunarijin · **Joined:** Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:43 am **Posts:** 3

Totally disagree ... will make people leave the game ... 2nd and 3rd alliances should get tokens ... what about people who can't boost ... Think about us

Ilona · **Posted:** Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:54 pm

Time to jump in, and that with a very unpopular view 8-)

Sometimes I really wonder about some of you guys and with that I mean the non booster.
When I played, I spent some money. Not really much as I did mainly micro payments with phone, but I bought tokens when there was an urgent need.

I never cared, if the tokens that I spent will be more or less than the tokens I will get when I win the era.

I wanted to win! The tokens you get are nice, but not needed. Its about honor and pride

Now, some of you make it sound like : I'll spend no red tokens; I don't even want to fight or go to war; I want to sit down, doing nothing asides clicking on the vote link once a day; I'll ally everyone and I WANT MY TOKENS FOR GETTING 2nd or 3rd!

I know that not all of you think like that of course.

But please also think in a different direction: On a server are between 800 and 2500 players. And only 10 of them will win.
Many players play for way lower goals: They want to become top 500 or they want to be in a top 12 alliance.
With giving out so many tokens to 30 players, those on the top will stay on the top in the next era as well.
They know each other, they help each other and no newbie has a chance to get into this inner circle (not even when they would pay)

I can fully understand your concerns and that you are afraid that you can't compete anymore without paying but I truly believe that the opposite will happen.
Those top 30 on each and every era won't be the same anymore after some time without the blue tokens for this big achievement : " I WAS ALLIED. THATS ALL I WAS" *sarcasm off*
Not the boosters will damage you, the ones who sit and build but have 10k blue tokens on their account just for being in the right alliance will do it.

You want competition? You want less battle hugs and interesting eras?
If so, you need to agree to this change. It might hurt for a short time, but in the end, it will be skill what will matters again and not who have the most BLUE tokens on his account.

killllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll · **Joined:** Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:03 am **Posts:** 5

Well we wont know anyting untill several eras get played

im hoping for the best and BD gets competitive again

Seth · **Posted:** Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:08 pm

I know it does not seem like it right now, but we are looking to what is better for everyone overall, and over a greater period of time. These decisions are never easy to make, and obviously, not always easy to take on your part.

In the end, we have to stick with our guns and do what we think is right. In this case, we deeply think that it is right to go back to a workable basis standard. As far as rewards go, we need to take a step back and re-assess our approach. We can quite clearly see what is happening vs. what we intended to happen.

The ironic thing is that our original intentions with expanding rewards, pretty much mirrored what most people are saying here as an argument against removing them. We thought it would give non boosters a better chance. That it would have leveled the playing field going into new eras. That it would ensure more action, not less.

This is not what has occurred. History has set a different precedent on all counts and certainly not for the better. Now, I know the knee jerk reaction to this is to think "OMG, TOOK ER TOKENS!!". To look inward and be concerned about one self. However, you have to eventually get past that and look to what is better for the game itself, in the long term.

Looking back on the decision to expand rewards and the dynamics that have risen since, I simply cannot convince myself that it has been for the better.

GreenDayIsBack1 · **Posted:** Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:19 pm

^^ there looking for whats best xDDD, so they know what we like now :OOO, how about that sidebar chat? ^_^ and greeny a admin!!

but then again i like this update :3
NO mOER BATTLE HUGS U NOOBS!

mustafa960 · **Joined:** Mon May 02, 2011 11:23 am **Posts:** 461

Advantages of this change:

- Players will have a incentive to not battlehug , and fight to win. Therefore increasing competitiveness.

- Players who usually finish second and third , which is the vast majority of those opposed to this , will have to actually fight for the win. ( I finish second mostly , and sometimes first. But not opposed.)

- The demographic of top players will change , as players need to rely more on skill , and activity.

- Alliances which rely on subs , will no longer be able to.

Disadvantages:

- Red Boosters , can easily have a much larger head start and those who previously relied on blues , will be left trailing. However , as Korrupt has said " players would require pure skill" . This is true , but if those red boosters are just as active and as experienced , they would still have a massive advantage.

- Players may not bother playing Battle dawn.

- There's probably a lot more , but these were the ones i could think of.

TOOLAD · **Posted:** Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:26 pm

I see this as having shorterm negative effects, but overall i liek the idea and think it will work, hopefully it will and if it doesnt then hopefully we as a community (not jsut admins) can maybe figure out something that can help, but until one of those two things happen we are jsut gonna have to adjust to the new "rule" and deal with it till it proves helpfull or hurtfull, so stop raging and maybe come up with something usefull

No tokens for 2nd and 3rd alliance!