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Peaches420 · **Posted:** Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:41 pm

Please don't consider this a double post as it is the words of my friend Squibly, he gets an error message saying he's not authorized to post on the forum and can't reply for himself.

Squibly says:
that head admin that is responding in that thread
he admitted that sometimes they make mistakes
Peaches says:
steven ..
Squibly says:
yea I think
Peaches says:
the yellow writing guy
Squibly says:
yes
ask him why it is the hundreds of dollars we spent in that round doesnt deserve protection from their mistakes
if I knew the laws better I would be tempted to sue them for my money back
Peaches says:
more like thousands of dollars ..
Squibly says:
its is crazy, my money invested in a round that contained 3 super alliances, all of which were MAJOR boosters
we competed in a high end, highely competetive round
high money round
and they are going to push that bull saying our money doesnt deserve protection
especially from their mistakes
Peaches says:
i wish you could post all of that ..
Squibly says:
all we are asking is admins dont go screwing everything up for us and flushing our money down the toilet and then come to us saying we are sorry, but we made a mistake
and then pushing their bull about how the game should be run according to them
I dont care about 98% of what they said in that thread
my money is gone because of a mistake
and I am told I dont deserve protection from that
Peaches says:
i totally agree with you my friend
Squibly says:
well those are my thoughts on the subject
Peaches says:
i wish you could put all that on the forum
Squibly says:
I have my wife in bed with a movie on pause to get this out
feel free to post a copy of the chat log if you want

Here is another great player lost because of this mess.

trevor1601 · **Joined:** Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:45 pm **Posts:** 939

i agree this is a job and what happens if someone swears on the broadcast or something like cheating using farms. how come these people get the pass because there is no admin on? this is suppose to be a safe place for kids and not having a moderator on the worlds for such long times isnt really safe for these 10 year olds and young people. plus if the admin isnt on for such a long time they wont see a cheater and then those cheaters will get away with it.

im not saying that the admin;s should be fired or anything. not my place. but being off for over a week if it happened someone should step in and take over while they are gone from there servers.

just my thoughts on the matter.

simmen · **Posted:** Wed Apr 07, 2010 1:56 am

Peaches420 wrote:

While I agree that supporters and non supporters alike should have a say before being banned in questionable cases, I would think the sheer volume of that would require more then one person to deal with it properly. Maybe I'm wrong but my own personal experience with how slowly the system is already working speaks volumes.

it's currently slow, but we are working on it, i'm sorry that it's so innaficient, but your incident really happened at a bad time, i've never seen such a bad timing at all if i'm not wrong.

Hire or assign a person(s) to deal directly with questionable bans, Make this a supporter "feature" if you will, or make it for everyone but please make it happen. What happened with me cannot be undone, but hopefully with me standing up against it, I can prevent it from happening again to someone else. This whole round is a loss for me and my alliance, and has left me with such a bad taste that I'm not sure I'll ever want to even play again. I have to wonder how many other people have similar stories to mine and they just walked away instead of fighting. I must say it doesn't seem worth the headaches that I've gotten because of it all. I know of a few people who have quit because of this happening to me, and they are supporters, good players, good people.

problem with people to work on this is that they would have to get admin account, and thats a big deal. we are working on training a new admin to take some work of the admins. but it have to be someone they know they can trust, who are active and over the age of 21.

I understand that Andrew is having some personal issues, I'm not trying to make things harder for him. However, he does have a job to do here, and if there are things preventing that from happening then perhaps he should step down for a time, or step back a little and lessen his responsibilities. This is his job, I know if I were not doing my job I would be fired, or given some serious time off.

if it were only that easy, try to replace a admin who work on 6 worlds and is community manager and do all the extra jobs in short notice, not an easy task. and what he is dealing with is enough to get some time off your work also.

Steven to answer you, yes the ban was only 48 ticks, however the timing of it was that it lost our alliance the whole round. Everything we've worked for for months .. gone. Like I said before, none of this can be undone. What I want is for things to change so people can stop leaving Battledawn for stupid misunderstandings such as what has happened with me. Change is needed here, I think we can all agree on that

as i said earlier, you probly hit the worst time possible. but yes i must admit that i've been looking at some rules and rulebreakers who are a bit in the grey zone

Peaches420 wrote:

Please don't consider this a double post as it is the words of my friend Squibly, he gets an error message saying he's not authorized to post on the forum and can't reply for himself.

Squibly says:
that head admin that is responding in that thread
he admitted that sometimes they make mistakes
Peaches says:
steven ..
Squibly says:
yea I think
Peaches says:
the yellow writing guy
Squibly says:
yes
ask him why it is the hundreds of dollars we spent in that round doesnt deserve protection from their mistakes
if I knew the laws better I would be tempted to sue them for my money back
Peaches says:
more like thousands of dollars ..
Squibly says:
its is crazy, my money invested in a round that contained 3 super alliances, all of which were MAJOR boosters
we competed in a high end, highely competetive round
high money round
and they are going to push that bull saying our money doesnt deserve protection
especially from their mistakes
Peaches says:
i wish you could post all of that ..
Squibly says:
all we are asking is admins dont go screwing everything up for us and flushing our money down the toilet and then come to us saying we are sorry, but we made a mistake
and then pushing their bull about how the game should be run according to them
I dont care about 98% of what they said in that thread
my money is gone because of a mistake
and I am told I dont deserve protection from that
Peaches says:
i totally agree with you my friend
Squibly says:
well those are my thoughts on the subject
Peaches says:
i wish you could put all that on the forum
Squibly says:
I have my wife in bed with a movie on pause to get this out
feel free to post a copy of the chat log if you want

Here is another great player lost because of this mess.

if he's not checking this mess tell him that i'm sorry about the situation you all have been put in, i know how frustrating this must be.

but yes, it's human to do misstakes, everyone does them i know i do several during a day. in some of the bann cases you might have made misstakes with judgement. i have been banned, one time were me making a colony spamming people, the friend who asked me to do it said i coulden't get banned for it so i said ok. when i did get the bann i didn't get mad at anyone but myself and the guy who asked me, cuz there is also something called moral. i did a misstake by making that colony just to help him. not saying you did, but i can't see this from the admins point of view how it looked to him, he may have made a misstake, but when you think of so many people he rightfully bann (i've seen the list, it's quite long each day), then i have probly done more misstakes as a mod if you compare to cases.

andrew have been one of the admins with the fewest complaints, i'm sorry that your incident happened at the worst timing ever. it's to late now to fix it, i know. but theese kinds of happenings make us realise the problems we got, so thank you for doing this peaches.

trevor1601 wrote:

i agree this is a job and what happens if someone swears on the broadcast or something like cheating using farms. how come these people get the pass because there is no admin on? this is suppose to be a safe place for kids and not having a moderator on the worlds for such long times isnt really safe for these 10 year olds and young people. plus if the admin isnt on for such a long time they wont see a cheater and then those cheaters will get away with it.

im not saying that the admin;s should be fired or anything. not my place. but being off for over a week if it happened someone should step in and take over while they are gone from there servers.

just my thoughts on the matter.

if you find any of those things pm it to the admin, if i'm not wrong he can look at all broadcasts, and there is a delete button there for a reason

and btw. it's PG 13 not 10 =P

i think the week is exaggerated, not by alot, but a few days atleast.

wisemonk · **Posted:** Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:52 am

I think people should understand the concept here. The fact that you donate is up to you either its $20 or $1000 yous know the rules and yet people break them thinking they will get away with it regardless if you donate or not. you break the rules you will be punished regardless or how much you donated.

its your choice to do this and you know what will happen in the end if caught.

as for protecting against kids there are filters in which stop most words from comming through but you are not going to sensor them against this and real life. No matter what game is played or they play on the net there will be things that you dont want your kids to see. But face the facts they are going to see it regardless as all games there are filters in place to prevent alot of crap from showing for kids its up to the parents not the kids or mods or game creaters to either purchase these games and or let them play it without checking the filters.

As befor donators should not have special privledges because they donate. As a donater my self. If i break the rules I know what will happen and how I will be punished. The rules are stipulated there and are enforced to read befor hand and they are open sourced to the public as for the law in some cases will not have a legal stand in any form or allegation against battle dawn as rules are stipulated for thows who donate and do not donate. If rules are broken for thows who do donate in that case laws can be brought against for thows specific allegations.

best advice read the rules.

regards wisemonk

mrducky · **Posted:** Wed Apr 07, 2010 12:19 pm

all BD players are equal, some are just more equal then others...

im going against this. without a hardline against cheating, cheating will occur more often as it gets a green light, if people think supporting BD gives them the right to undermine BD by bypassing its rules. they can whinge elsewhere.

reading peaches, i see that mistakes happen. i played a round (E7 old BD i think) where a relic was bought for $50. where people spend several hundred dollars and because of this, it leads to arrogance about their position in the game. perhaps a revamp of rules, more admins, a better system... but not creating an inequal caste system.

but meh, i dont even play anymore ^_^

trevor1601 · **Joined:** Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:45 pm **Posts:** 939

what happened in peaches case wasnt cheating though so i dont know why people are saying that donators shouldnt be able to cheat. what happened was a grey area and not in the rules i guess.

so cheating and donators has nothing to do with this thread its about should donators get more understanding when there is someithng in a grey area. and not in the rules. no one should be able to cheat but to be inactive on a world then get banned on all worlds because of it is a huge mistake.

Hell Scream · **Posted:** Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:22 am

At first I was like "lolololol"

And then I saw this

Quote:

Squibly says:
I have my wife in bed with a movie on pause to get this out

And I understood he was lying.

Edit:
Also, Peaches was breaking the rules. Andrew wouldn't have banned him if he didn't.

simmen · **Posted:** Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:13 pm

first off peaches is a female =P
second of all andrew have later apologized about the bann

rob95 · **Joined:** Sat Mar 27, 2010 2:58 pm **Posts:** 1

you know people donate becuse they wanna suport the game not for a reward or a prize

simmen · **Posted:** Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:02 am

very true rob

Should Donators Have Atvantages Over Regular Players?