I did say unprotected sex is irresponsible especially if you dont intend to have children. But then what you wanna do with such people? They made a mistake. So are you punishing them by forcing them to NOT abort? You will be punishing the kid. So even in that case, you gotta be able to give them a way out of it.

I don't say I will do anything. I'm just saying those are irresponsible. Plus I did say that I'm against illegalize adoption. Irresponsible is irresponsible, it's not a reason to ban it.

Yeah, so what is your take on Abortion then? If you say No to abortion, then you would be "punishing" those irresponsible folks, which wont work anyway.

So youre saying that not letting the kids live, killing them before theyre "born", is not punishing them, but rather the best way to prevent it from suffering?

Yes. Giving birth is not everything. You gotta raise them. And its not just about feeding them. If not raised properly they suffer far more,.

But at least they're alive. They have a chance to endure the suffering and make something out of it. It's like saying suicide is right. It's not right, because no one can ever know, and a parent certainly has no right to say his/her baby should not be born simply because of the suffering. Everyone suffers in their lives, but that doesn't mean any of us shouldnt live.

MAKE something out of it? Yeah right. Recently a baby in India was homeless (obviously a baby that shouldnt have been born had her parents aborted), and she was sleeping on the side of the road. A stray dog attacked her and she was badly injured. She was taken to a hospital and finally survived. She was 2 years old. Make something out of it?

Secondly, giving birth to a baby is not all. You have to care for it, and raise it. Feed it. Give it emotional and financial support, put him/her through school etc etc Its easier said than done. Some people may not be able to or even may not want to. Which is totally understandable.

Surely, it's easier said than done. But we all know, that even a single human life is worth that, and much more. Actually, we don't know many things worth more than a single human life other than multiple human lifes. Yea, it's not easy, but again life isn't easy, and not just because of that we should stop living it.

And yes, I said make something out of their life. Because there are people like you, who take notice of the cases similar to that 2-year old baby on the road, attacked my wild dogs. But the baby survived. Furthermore, it's life made an impact on the world, so it is definitely important. That babies like that are born is not the wrong thing here: what is wrong is that they have to suffer through such things at such a young life, where the odds of them surviving them is much lower, and even lower the possibility of keeping their full sanity through it. Even if it sounds cruel, more cruel is that they get deprived of the right to actually do something for, to and in this world. Accepting abortion is like accepting that that baby has absolutely no hope, when our descendance ARE humanity's hope. Even if he/she doesn't have a proper introduction to this world, that means something, that does something, that IS something. But a baby being born has nothing wrong with it: it simply doesnt.

Make an impact? LOL. What impact? Its on the news once a day and then forgotten, and after the baby is saved, she will go on to live malnourished, end up begging in the streets wearing rags and stuff. No one gives a rats ass. You are being naive.

Life is not just living. Life is being able to do something in your life. I am talking about raising a child, you are talking about living. Both are different.



Exactly why the baby should have been aborted and saved all the pain and the suffering. Now she will be traumatized and suffer for the rest of her life.

When you cant raise a kid, or dont wanna raise a kid, dont have a child. But if pregnancy happens by accident, and if you still cant raise the child, then what do you do? You cant have the baby and then suffer and inflict suffering on the kid as well. So you abort it, save yourself the pain, and dont bring a life into this world that you cant support.

Think about it. India has 400 million people in abject poverty. Thats more than the population of the United States. Why are there so many people? Its because for one they are all illiterate, they have no awareness and on the other, they get married and have lots of children even though they cant take care of em. Which is irresponsible. Best thing would be to NOT have a kid in such scenarios, but if it does happen by accident, abort it if you cant take care of the kid. Its only fair.

It did made an impact: you are speaking of it right now. No person will ever know the full impact of another person's life: not even of their own. This specific impact might not seem like much, but it hits other things: it's a chain, or such extension that no single person can stand here and say where it will end, we can only know it can be much bigger than the eye suggests. Such cases of extreme poverty are incredibly saddening, but they are necessary to show the world just what we can, and are falling into, for not caring enough. Surely, this is unfair for those who suffer it; there is no candycoating that, and that is not my intention. My point, is that this is important in the world, so we can do the right thing. We must not bend our values just because life isn't fair. And by values I mean the value of human live vs the cost of mantaining it.

So, if I am naive by thinking that perhaps every human being should be given the chance to live, even if such a chance is so poor other people would preffer to be dead rather than to live through it, so be it. I'm not afraid of being idealistic here, but by dealing with the real facts. It isn't fair for the baby to not be given a chance, and human life is worth anything and everything. I understand that the suffering is huge, for both the parents and the children, and I understand that the situation is unfair, but aborting the child is beyond fair and unfair: it's simply wrong. Again, the situation is regrettable, and it is the real problem: the circumstances in which the baby is made while the parents lack the resources to give him/her an adequate life for it's first years, but having a baby shouldnt and isnt ever reggretable.

So instead of just accepting the coward's way out, and take away a defenseless life, we should work to fix the real problem at hand. Give orientation, create plans for help to these people, make civil organizations. Surely it is easy for me to say it, but it's even easier to just let them kill the creature and be done with it. The baby shouldn't pay for their parents' mistake, even if he ends up doing so eventually: but he should be given the chance of doing so, because you never know if he will actually rise above it all. You don't know what that baby was going to do, who he was going to be, what would he achieve. They would be born in a world full of suffering, but at least they'd be alive, but now we want to take away even that. Well I say nay to it.