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Hypolaw
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Post subject: Re: This is how this CHAMPIONSHIP will be won - BUG ABUSE Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:12 pm |
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Joined: Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:52 pm Posts: 20 Location: Thessaloniki, Greece Gender: male
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I am not debating if this is a bug or how long it is there.
Being able to perform an action without being in the tick it will take effect is s bug in the game mechanics.
"What is a bug? A bug is a flaw in the programming, when triggered it can make something happen that isn't supposed to be happening."
direct copy from the rules
What i am debating is that it has been abused by certain alliances that belong in the same group in this championship, and according to the rules:
"What is bug/glitch abuse? Bug abusing is as simple as its name. When players use a bug/glitch in the game to gain an advantage over another player, they could be banned for this especially if it is a widely known bug/glitch."
what part of this is unclear to you???
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aister
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Post subject: Re: This is how this CHAMPIONSHIP will be won - BUG ABUSE Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:31 pm |
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Joined: Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:48 am Posts: 7996 Location: Fuyuki City Gender: male
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1. while it is clear that this one is unfair, it's not clear that VND has done this before. How do u know VND used this "bug" and not refresh fast in less than 5 seconds then use the spy?
2. I don't see how this is "favor heavy boosters" as everyone can do this. You don't have this ability to do spy attack without refresh after you become a supporter.
3. the skype virus is only a skype virus, it doesn't affect the game at all. Plus, it isn't proved that VND or their allies are the ones spreading the virus. Because, looking at it that way, you are also suspected, as well as CBop, HU, or anyone who is currently at war, in CE or in any other server.
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Ilona
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Post subject: Re: This is how this CHAMPIONSHIP will be won - BUG ABUSE Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:47 pm |
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Joined: Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:02 pm Posts: 1770 Gender: female
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okay....
I really have to admit that it was kind of fast reading right now, but i guess i see the problem...
I had a talk to Orestis the day before, and i can understand his point that it would be unfair. On the other hand, the client has already refreshed and that takes some seconds too. You cannot spy someone who is eta1 and not there. That means in general that that the client has already refreshed even when you haven't done it. I'll talk to michael about an auto refresh before performing any agent action, but in the end, it will be a cosmetic change only. You can basically stay 10 hours without any refresh, but you still can't damage the units which are not present at that time..
In fact, it doesn't matter which tick is displayed on your events.If the calculation is done - its done
The client will update anyway and this takes the same seconds no matter how fast your connection is.
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psylos
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Post subject: Re: This is how this CHAMPIONSHIP will be won - BUG ABUSE Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:44 pm |
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I think you have misunderstood the point Orestis was trying to make. The bug is not about how much time the client may need to refresh. The problem is that one can activate a spy with clock counter at 00:00. That means that even if client is not refreshed the user can affect the next tick. Although this is against the mechanics of the game, considering that it is a turn based game and each action can only affect a certain tick or start having effect at a certain tick, the one the client is at. Thus one cannot launch a squad when counter is at 00:00 before refreshing the client. Likewise one should not be able to spy attack without refreshing first the client. Alternatively since one can spy attack without refreshing then squads must launch as well. I assume that after refreshing the squad remains at same eta as before, yet much valuable, in some cases, time has not been wasted for refreshing the client.
While the two cases are very similar, if not same, they are handled in a completely different way by the game programming. Consequently the turn based gameplay in fact gets void by being able to affect next round, without next round been loaded by the client.
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indala
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Post subject: Re: This is how this CHAMPIONSHIP will be won - BUG ABUSE Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:02 pm |
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Joined: Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:54 am Posts: 182 Location: Argentina/Buenos Aires Gender: female
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Hypolaw wrote: "What is a bug? A bug is a flaw in the programming, when triggered it can make something happen that isn't supposed to be happening."
But it happens! normally happens, every tick, every era, every server, for months!! your own mate admit it kodak wrote: This bug has been around far too long - please fix it so we can move on to normal battles.
KodaK So u ask to be banned an alliance or a member when this happens to ur team? because of u lost the battle? Why haven t I seen the same complain before? This is not a bug, this is simple the good use of a spy, because the game let you do it, no one forced to do any, VND did not abuse of any rule or bug. Come on, you should have turned back, as simple as that.
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Hypolaw
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Post subject: Re: This is how this CHAMPIONSHIP will be won - BUG ABUSE Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:31 pm |
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Joined: Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:52 pm Posts: 20 Location: Thessaloniki, Greece Gender: male
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The reason i blame VND(the alliance and their subs/brothers) for this tactic is because they intentionally and elaborately based a whole strategy exactly on this move, the lured and creating a setting for a battle they would normally lose, and this happned twice.
Its is impossible for a single person, that is the spy attacker, to be faster than 12 other people TWICE. Besides, the logs of the game can prove me right, so i will not jump into more hypothesis. This action is a bug, cause for the spy attacker the actions starts (timewise) at 00:01 of the tick, while for the victim it starts normally at 00:05-00:15, depending on how fast you refresh, or how laggy the server is. The spy attacker is unaffected by any of these variables. And i am not talking about the approximate timer that the clock shows, i am talking about real effective time.
The abuse of this bug is clear and can be proven anytime by the game logs. I am only waiting for the authorised people to recognise this as a bug officially.
What is a bug?
A bug is a flaw in the programming, when triggered it can make something happen that isn't supposed to be happening.
What is bug/glitch abuse?
Bug abusing is as simple as its name. When players use a bug/glitch in the game to gain an advantage over another player, they could be banned for this especially if it is a widely known bug/glitch.
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Mike
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Post subject: Re: This is how this CHAMPIONSHIP will be won - BUG ABUSE Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:42 pm |
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Joined: Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:09 am Posts: 3395 Gender: male
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Please do not post in red, it is reserved for mods. I realize you are using the color to emphasize your point so I will let you change it to a color of your choosing. Thank you for your cooperation.
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aister
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Post subject: Re: This is how this CHAMPIONSHIP will be won - BUG ABUSE Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:13 pm |
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Joined: Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:48 am Posts: 7996 Location: Fuyuki City Gender: male
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Korupt wrote: Please do not post in red, it is reserved for mods. I realize you are using the color to emphasize your point so I will let you change it to a color of your choosing. Thank you for your cooperation. which I already sent him a PM, and he didn't even read and edited
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Post subject: Re: This is how this CHAMPIONSHIP will be won - BUG ABUSE Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:39 pm |
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lol look at elric trolling and stirring up more problems
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Elric
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Post subject: Re: This is how this CHAMPIONSHIP will be won - BUG ABUSE Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:45 pm |
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Joined: Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:50 pm Posts: 551 Location: America Gender: male
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lilconquer wrote: lol look at elric trolling and stirring up more problems I wasn't trolling, honestly - this isn't a game changer issue as he has made it seem. But we can handle it and we will. Two Admins have already posted here, and I assure you it will be resolved. In the mean time if anyone thinks a solo spy attack is going to win an entire round (unless accompanied by a lockdown- which if locked down , the whole point really doesn't matter anymore) they need to visit the AANC, where we'll be happy to inform them otherwise.
And I mean that sincerely
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