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Gaurav · **Posted:** Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:14 am

SoF wrote:

DUH!!! WHO THE HECK KNEW IT WAS A BUG????!

as what you said, there's closer... and so coincidence one of us innocently found one... with all the raining nukes bombarding here and there... we still attempt and refresh every tick scanning for space to make an op till we finally found 1...and WT-F DO WE GET???! ADMIN ACCESSING OUR ACCOUNT, RECALLING US ONE BY ONE....

IM SURE YOU GUYS DOING THE SAME THING... SCANNING FOR A "SPACE" might as well DISBAN OR BANN THE WHOLE TEAM...

Except it was an illegal spot and you didn't find it. No server will let you place an op there without abusing a bug. So please stop with this we found it and placed..you guys keep just admitting to having abused the floating op bug to get the op down. Because in all normal circumstances you cannot build an op there. You could of checked it a million times or not..we did and no op spot is available as those exact coords are considered on water by the battledawn database.

malicewolf · **Joined:** Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:02 pm **Posts:** 1607

If it was indeed a floating OP, it's a bug abuse that can only be done by those who know about it. As floating OPs can be made anywhere on the map. Meaning Mafia full well knew as he had the option to build in the middle of the water. Visually, you can see there isn't enough room for an OP there already.

But as I said, I could truly of cared less if the admins allowed it, even if it was bug abuse. We're at a standstill taking camps back and forth. The closest OPs on the coasts that either side actually wants to take are 12 ticks away, pretty much making it impossible for either side to make an actual push.

As I said, I think the admins should give a warning about deleting camps in 24 ticks, then do it.

Also, the admins froze ticks for quite a while. They were no doubt checking the coordinates and testing the OPs. Judging from the case that they unfroze ticks and finished turning the incoming on that OP on both sides (because NJ had a lot set up to land as well) I would say they also came to the conclusion that the OP was a bugged OP that should never have been able to be placed.

How about this? I ask that the admins remove the protected OP. I and my entire team will attempt to make an OP there just as PHIz did (heck, I'll even invite the whole world to try). I will be the first to apologize if it is the case that it can be built by legit means. But I will bet you it is not the case. I'll also bet you the admins couldn't even make an OP there by legitimate means.

Milanos · **Joined:** Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:13 pm **Posts:** 2041

malicewolf wrote:

Seriously guys... this is obviously an OP made via a bug. Though, I do find it VERY funny you guys choose to do a bug OP so far away when you could have made one MUCH closer to the coast of South China if you wanted to make an illegitimate OP anyways.

But in all honesty, I wouldn't mind if the admins had just let it be. This bottle neck situation has been boring. I'd much rather get back to the open battlefields where I can actually do some stuff. Though camps have been just as valuable to RDH, NJ, RBR, etc. as it has been to llll coalition, they have also forced a very boring progression into Aussie because of the long eta's. Yes, technically, all very strategical. But also, technically, very boring. I kinda wish camps had an auto delete function after a certain amount of time (maybe 24 ticks?). And if you had anything there when the auto delete occurred, you'd lose it all. I was originally thinking, just make it so whatever was there would be in limbo and just need to be moved, but nothing existed, but then I thought, people would abuse this and have forever hidden armies if they wanted. So instead, let's punish those trying to abuse camps. Simple. No more camp barriers. Trying to abuse it will cause massive ramifications. Leaving a spy (actual spy, not infiltration) on a camp = dead spy that must be remade. Leaving units there will result in them disappearing. Kind of like losing a TB with units that were cooking. They're gone and you get nothing back. You mismanaged, you pay the price. I'm pretty sure this would curb the camp fiasco.

If this were the case, this wouldn't be an issue to begin with as there wouldn't be a 12 tick gap between the closest OPs either side could attack.

Agreed, that would be a good way to solve future standstills like this. It is all very strategical but I agree it is quite boring. Though that is of course no excuse to abuse a bug.

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as what you said, there's closer... and so coincidence one of us innocently found one... with all the raining nukes bombarding here and there... we still attempt and refresh every tick scanning for space to make an op till we finally found 1...and WT-F DO WE GET???! ADMIN ACCESSING OUR ACCOUNT, RECALLING US ONE BY ONE....

Refreshing and checking every tick for spaces is fine, of course you do that. But this spot never HAD an OP, and like your teammates said it took Mafia like 2-3 days before he managed to plant one simply because it took him that long to hit the bug.

And @ your last post Josh, indeed lol. It is simply impossible to create an OP there.

Ilona · **Posted:** Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:30 am

Hi,

the place wasn't legit to build an op there. When you zoom out, you can see that the now protected op is half into water.
You can see on the picture the only possible spot (white) if there wouldn't be no other ops around, and the red one is the one that was built.

I wouldn't call it a bug abuse, as there is no proof that the player used the knowledge of it and exploited it, but a bug is a bug.

We discussed it a lot here and decided that the op has to be removed and all units has to be turned.

It is clearly a game bug and therefore I handed out some compensation to all involved parties.
I am really sorry for all this and I hate to interfere into the gameplay but also I don't think that we had a choice of acting on another way.

Comet1 · **Joined:** Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:52 am **Posts:** 36

Wow, admin favourism? Ive seen many of these op bug most times thts how ppl get into aussie, i gaurentee if RDH did this, there would be no problem. Its clear who the mods/admins are supporting.
All i can say is whoever wins this era hasnt won it as a "champion" but more of a farming cheater.

Now u see mods jump in the defence of this and malice with his essay....

malicewolf · **Joined:** Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:02 pm **Posts:** 1607

Comet1 wrote:

Wow, admin favourism? Ive seen many of these op bug most times thts how ppl get into aussie, i gaurentee if RDH did this, there would be no problem. Its clear who the mods/admins are supporting.
All i can say is whoever wins this era hasnt won it as a "champion" but more of a farming cheater.

Now u see mods jump in the defence of this and malice with his essay....

So you think the admin's are playing favoritism because they did their job in this scenario? Ilona just showed PROOF that the OP should not have been able to of been placed. While she cannot officially accuse Mafia of abusing a bug as Ilona said, it's a bug none-the-less (but let's be honest here... he just so happened to of stumbled upon a bug that creates OPs on water and DIDN'T notice?! I have to call bs. He noticed and was hoping to get away with it).

As for your comment on farm cheating. I don't see you complaining about llll's numerous bans by MULTI-ACCOUNT SHARING. Most of which they even talked their way out of, and thus, we are still facing these multi-account users, who are now even more cautious about covering their tracks. There's been a ton of suspicious activity on llll. There have been accusations at RDH farming experience. I was able to get R5 in half the amount of time that RDH got theirs. Of course, I don't have nearly as many as they do, but I also haven't had even a quarter of the amount of time to gain it. I only started going for xp'd units around tick 3500. RDH has been hunting since what? tick 1500? Maybe tick 2000? Give me a break about the illegitimate R5. llll cooped themselves up in Aussie and now have no where to hunt xp because they surrounded themselves with their subs and eliminated all colonies to farm.

I did the same thing when I took over Russia. Simply being able to travel across 3/4 of the map, in a matter of 500 ticks, I got enough xp.

And yes, you're right. I will defend the admins on their decisions and I am perfectly fine annoying you with long posts. At least my posts have evidential reasoning behind what I say or accuse people of.

Milanos · **Joined:** Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:13 pm **Posts:** 2041

Comet1 wrote:

Wow, admin favourism? Ive seen many of these op bug most times thts how ppl get into aussie, i gaurentee if RDH did this, there would be no problem. Its clear who the mods/admins are supporting.
All i can say is whoever wins this era hasnt won it as a "champion" but more of a farming cheater.

Now u see mods jump in the defence of this and malice with his essay....

Comet, I lead the RC Testing team and know practically every bug there is on this game. If we wanted to we could do exactly the same, but we know it's a bug so we don't. And I can guarantee you if we tried to, the same thing would happen as what happened to PHIz.

Hitmo · **Posted:** Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:12 am

So dont u guys try to remove the bug as u say u can exploit every bug u know now but u wont

lud1 · **Posted:** Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:12 am

Malice uses his essays to kill people, while other use their squads. And it's pretty effective, it kills my mood for reading all this posts!

Milanos · **Joined:** Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:13 pm **Posts:** 2041

Hitmo wrote:

So dont u guys try to remove the bug as u say u can exploit every bug u know now but u wont

Of course we try to remove the bug. But the team of programmers is constantly busy, more than ever since Supermechs came out. There are a few bugs that they have not gotten to fix yet, some small and some big.

This bug is in my opinion one of the bigger ones, especially when it can change the course of an era like it could do in this one.

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